There should be a waiver where homeless people are offered a program for rehabilitation, or they won't be resuscitated the next OD. At what point are some of these guys just trying to end it? Is it ethical to continue to bring them back to life only to prolong their suffering? From my understanding a good portion is brought back multiple times over and over again.
Even for the drug addicts there's a simple cheap solution: pallet shelters on cheap rural land that is not conditional on quiting drugs. Problem is, it would crash rents if working folks take advantage of the change in zoning laws, and people are uncomfortable with allowing drug users to continue using drugs. Just let them, as long as they aren't harming others or damaging property and hurting businesses. If they are away from homes and children that's a good thing too.
The difference? Less rape and brutality in an American subway station than in a foreign prison populated with hardcore gangsters and sociopaths in uniforms.
About 10-15% of homeless are addicted. Another 10-15% are mentally ill. The majority are people that have fallen on very hard times due to a lack of skills, no local living wage jobs, divorce, priced out of rental housing, or dropped by the VA.
Many of you are a month or two of missed paychecks from the same fate. Remember that as the current President craters the economy and decimates your 401K.
If I became homeless, I'd camp on BLM land.
Why don't city homeless do that? No access to drugs or booze.
I'm convinced that 80 years from now in Nursing homes libs who have forgotten their families names and faces will still be talking about January 6th.
Yeah, that's right.
Hey, get a load of this guy, just one of the about 1,500 people pardoned by Don the Con:
Wikipedia wrote:
David Nicholas Dempsey, sentenced in August 2024 to 20 years in prison for stomping on police officers' heads, using flagpoles and other objects to attack officers, and spraying bear spray into the gas mask of an officer. His prior criminal record included burglary, theft, and assault.[34][36]
Why didn't Michael Byrd get 20 years (if not death penalty) for the murder of Ashli Babbitt?
Homeless people have to pee. They do not have homes (hence the name) with accompanying toilets to use. So they pee where they can.
What would OP suggest?
They do what any person who is temporarily away from home does - find and use a public toilet.
There are several in every Walmart. It isn't as if the homeless don't know where to find them - several homeless invidivuals used the restrooms at the Walmart where I worked to wash up.
Yes, of course! What better system to emulate than Nazi Germany?
He was being sarcastic. But sadly, in today's America, it is hard to tell if someone is joking when they say things like "Well, Germany in the 1930s had some good ideas..." Yikes!
Don't you want a final solution to the homeless problem?
No, I am not referring to “some mythical international law.” I was referring to our laws. You can’t deport a US Citizen. You might have a shot if you can charge a homeless person with treason or prove they are a foreign agent.
It is not deportation, but using El Salvador's prison space.
U.S. states to this all the time.
For instance, Colorado sent some of its inmates to the Alaska prison system.
Diane Downs (Small Sacrifices) is in a California prison, but the sentence is under Oregon law.
A friend from law school works for a public interest group that does work for tenants facing eviction. She sees a repeated pattern. People who are working and doing the best they can in the economy suffer some sort of set back. They get hurt or sick, have a family member who gets sick and needs help, they have substance abuse issues or get divorced and this results in them either having to quit their job or getting laid off (and some time they just get laid off for no fault of their own). These people have no family or friends to fall back on or they are so ashamed of their predicament that they don't tell anyone what is going on. They fall behind on rent and get a notice to vacate their premises. Most will just leave and not even make their landlord initiate an eviction proceeding. They end up living in their cars or jumping from friend to relative living on couches and spare beds. Eventually, they lose their cars or run out of people who are willing to put them up and end up on the street. By that time, their mental health has deteriorated to a point where they can no longer function in normal society. Homeless encampments offer these people the last chance at having some sort of community where someone may share food when they are hungry. And often times for people with substance abuse problems, it is the best place to be able to drink or do drugs. People who live in these encampments have fallen so far that getting them back into normal society is extremely difficult because they would rather live what seems to be a carefree life on the street than have to go through the economic grinder that put them there in the first place.
Back to evictions. A few communities have made headway with the homeless by putting in place very good housing intervention services. Whenever someone is evicted, they are immediately put in touch with housing advocate groups who are almost always able to move them immediately into another place so they are never in a position where they are on the street. As long as we commodify housing and make failure to pay rent an offense punishable by being denied shelter through legal process, we are going to have homelessness. And you can go very hard on vagrancy laws, public intoxication, urination, etc. and all you are doing is spending lots of money to take people off the streets for a short period of time. They always go right back. But if you make sure that anyone who faces eviction has the ability to transition seamlessly to another housing facility without ever having to be on the street, you would see homelessness all but disappear. You see this in countries with very low homelessness rates, mostly because they provide substantial housing subsidies to all and no one ever is in a position where they might lose housing. We should do that in the US, but absent an AOC lead sweep of progressive dems into office, local jurisdictions can do a lot more to ensure that people are never without housing.
We have housing for repeat offenders - jails and prison.
A friend from law school works for a public interest group that does work for tenants facing eviction. She sees a repeated pattern. People who are working and doing the best they can in the economy suffer some sort of set back. They get hurt or sick, have a family member who gets sick and needs help, they have substance abuse issues or get divorced and this results in them either having to quit their job or getting laid off (and some time they just get laid off for no fault of their own). These people have no family or friends to fall back on or they are so ashamed of their predicament that they don't tell anyone what is going on. They fall behind on rent and get a notice to vacate their premises. Most will just leave and not even make their landlord initiate an eviction proceeding. They end up living in their cars or jumping from friend to relative living on couches and spare beds. Eventually, they lose their cars or run out of people who are willing to put them up and end up on the street. By that time, their mental health has deteriorated to a point where they can no longer function in normal society. Homeless encampments offer these people the last chance at having some sort of community where someone may share food when they are hungry. And often times for people with substance abuse problems, it is the best place to be able to drink or do drugs. People who live in these encampments have fallen so far that getting them back into normal society is extremely difficult because they would rather live what seems to be a carefree life on the street than have to go through the economic grinder that put them there in the first place.
Back to evictions. A few communities have made headway with the homeless by putting in place very good housing intervention services. Whenever someone is evicted, they are immediately put in touch with housing advocate groups who are almost always able to move them immediately into another place so they are never in a position where they are on the street. As long as we commodify housing and make failure to pay rent an offense punishable by being denied shelter through legal process, we are going to have homelessness. And you can go very hard on vagrancy laws, public intoxication, urination, etc. and all you are doing is spending lots of money to take people off the streets for a short period of time. They always go right back. But if you make sure that anyone who faces eviction has the ability to transition seamlessly to another housing facility without ever having to be on the street, you would see homelessness all but disappear. You see this in countries with very low homelessness rates, mostly because they provide substantial housing subsidies to all and no one ever is in a position where they might lose housing. We should do that in the US, but absent an AOC lead sweep of progressive dems into office, local jurisdictions can do a lot more to ensure that people are never without housing.
Go spend some time in Skid Row and then tell us more about your theory that all of those people are just hard working people who had some bad luck...
Make employment a right for citizens (not illegal aliens) guaranteed by the federal government.
Create a National Labor Program (it would be better if states had there own, but creating one at the federal level would bypass the blue states who don't want a solution).
If after 30 days of unemployment an abled bodied person (children, disabled, seriously mentally ill, and women who choose to be homemakers would be exempt) cannot find work (economic downturn) or won't find work (laziness, homeless, druggie/alky, etc...), the government will step in and provide them gainful employment.
Much like criminal migrants, transgenderists, and arsonist/terrorist "activists", homeless people are a client class of the administrative state. They're "exempt from laws" as they're needed to terrorize and debase peaceful citizens.