Give me a break. That "uninformed teenager" has parents, a coach, and a doctor. I'm sure that all of them together can figure it out.
Christine Mboma was abandoned by her father as an infant, and lost her mother at age 13. When she was not having any period like her friends did, who could she have asked for advice?
Did she know anything about her DSD before she started competing?
Maybe yes maybe no. If she didn't then being tested when she starting to get good at track gave her valuable medical information that she needed to know about her own body. So that's a good thing.
The tests probably won't be made public. However, any DSD athlete will probably be found out because either a) they complain about being kicked out, or b) they were doing really good and then they all of a sudden quit for no apparently reason.
Remember the Ethiopian runner a few years ago named Werkuha Getachew? They did great in the 800, set a national record, and ran the fastest time in the world. They were named to the 2021 Tokyo Olympic team but dropped out right before the race was to start with no explanation.
Then they all of a sudden switched to the steeplechase and refused to answer why they didn't run the 800 anymore.
And then shortly after that their times got significantly slower.
It's not hard to figure out that Getachew was effected by the DSD rules.
This Getachew example refutes the point your made on your previous post.
If Getachew, her parents, her coaches, or anyone at the Ethiopian federation had accurate knowledge about her DSD, she would have never entered an elite level 800m race. She would have started with steeplechase to avoid any unnecessary speculation. She might have been outed anyway when she stopped competing. But they could not have foreseen WA would change its policy about her eligibility.
So Getachew apparently didn't know about her DSD when she set the NR in 800m at age 25. Her parents, her coaches, her federation did not know, either.
The tests probably won't be made public. However, any DSD athlete will probably be found out because either a) they complain about being kicked out, or b) they were doing really good and then they all of a sudden quit for no apparently reason.
Remember the Ethiopian runner a few years ago named Werkuha Getachew? They did great in the 800, set a national record, and ran the fastest time in the world. They were named to the 2021 Tokyo Olympic team but dropped out right before the race was to start with no explanation.
Then they all of a sudden switched to the steeplechase and refused to answer why they didn't run the 800 anymore.
And then shortly after that their times got significantly slower.
It's not hard to figure out that Getachew was effected by the DSD rules.
If Getachew, her parents, her coaches, or anyone at the Ethiopian federation had accurate knowledge about her DSD, she would have never entered an elite level 800m race.
So Getachew apparently didn't know about her DSD when she set the NR in 800m at age 25. Her parents, her coaches, her federation did not know, either.
If that's the case then the testing that World Athletcs did ended up doing Getachew a favor by helping Getachew understand her body better.
Give me a break. That "uninformed teenager" has parents, a coach, and a doctor. I'm sure that all of them together can figure it out.
You don't know the reality of DSD health care. See my post about Kimberly Zieselman above. She got her testes removed at age 16, and didn't know about the real reason for surgery for another 25 years. And this was in the United States! There are many, many countries in the world where DSD health care is still far more secretive.
Christine Mboma was abandoned by her father as an infant, and lost her mother at age 13. When she was not having any period like her friends did, who could she have asked for advice? Did she know anything about her DSD before she started competing?
Actually, Kimberly Zieselman’s testes were removed when Zieselman was 15. That was in 1981 - 44 years ago!
The way Zieselman, others with DSDs, and parents of children with DSDs were misled and mistreated by men in Western medicine 40, 50, 60 and 70 years ago is really unfortunate. But it’s absurd to suggest that time, medical knowledge and technology, and "DSD health care" have all stood still since then.
In fact, in the past several decades, there’s been enormous progress in scientific knowledge and understanding of DSDs; huge advancements and refinements in the technologies and techniques used to diagnose DSDs; a sea change for the better in the way that establishment medical practitioners in Western countries treat patients with DSDs; and considerable improvements in the way that DSD conditions and people with them are seen in many societies.
The upshot is that it’s really ridiculous to try to draw a parallel between the "reality of DSD health care" that 15-year-old American Kimberly Zieselman received from medical doctors in Los Angeles back in 1981 and the exploitative yet still rather red-carpet treatment that adolescent African athletes Christine Mboma and Beatrice Masilingi got in Namibia nearly 40 years later after the powers-that-be in their home country decided to try to turn the “two turbo teens” with XY DSDs into world-champion sports stars by entering them into international women’s track competitions in time for the Tokyo Olympics.
Henk Botha and the other men at the highest levels of Namibian sports, business, politics and culture knew exactly what they were doing when they put Mboma and Masilingi on center stage in elite women's sports - where the two teens were bound to come under the harsh glare of the spotlight and prying, distressing questions inevitably would be raised about their sex as milions of people around the world world scrutinized their physiques, progression and remarkable times. The men behind the scheme to turn the "turbo teens" from Namibia into track sensations as big as Caster Semenya were following the playbook used with such success by their counterparts in South Africa - the country next door that Namibia used to be part of, and where Botha and his wife are originally from.
There’s not a sliver of chance that the men who scouted, selected and groomed Mboma and Masilingi for greatness in women’s track - and the other men high up in the Namibian establishment who invested hopes and money in the “two turbo teens” - didn't have the pair of young athletes thoroughly checked out by medical doctors before entering them in their first IAAF/WA women’s events.
Also, although it’s tragic that Christine Mboma grew up in abject poverty without a father and her mother died in childbirth when Christine was only 13, the fact remains that Christine had at least one grandmother on hand to serve as family elder and maternal figure.
What’s more, after Henk Botha “discovered” Christine and Beatrice Masilingi and took them under his wing, Mboma actually lived with Botha and his wife Elize for a couple of years during the time the “two turbo teens” were being trained for Tokyo.
As a medical doctor herself, Elize Botha surely would have noticed the telltale signs strongly indicating that the teenager living under her own roof likely had a DSD. Elize Botha would also have been in a prime position to help explain the details and implications of their DSDs to both Mboma and Masilingi. Or at least she would have been an ideal person to help see to it that the two young runners whom older men in Namibia callously tried to exploit finally ended up getting appropriate information and counseling about their DSDs from compassionate specialists up to the task.
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As you have been told multiple times, but keep on ignoring, is that if anyone has a legitimate medical reason why these new rules shouldn't apply to them, they can file a protest and get an allowance to compete.
So stop already with your crazy posts.
What is not yet clear is how well the privacy of athletes will be protected.
If you fail the swab test, will the public know about it? If you also fail the follow-up test, will it be known?
On the one hand, we still don't know the identity of eight athletes who failed the swab test at Atlanta Olympics. On the other hand, many athletes with DSD have have been outed against their will since then. My suspicion is that those who fail the follow-up tests will be known to the public, although I don't think WA will never announce their names.
But the only reason that a bunch of athletes with DSDs have been "outed against their will" since the 1996 Atlanta Olympics is that officials in charge of national sports federations, national teams, Olympic committees, professional teams, and other high-up sports organizations in certain countries decided to enter so many XY DSD athletes in women's international competitions in the hopes of that these athletes' unfair male advantage in the women's field would help them win and bring home some easy (or easier, rather) gold and glory. And because ever since the since the Maria Jose Martinez Patino scandal, the men running the world's leading sports governing bodies for global sports like the IOC and IAAF/WA (and later FIFA too) have increasingly focused on trying to insure maximum "inclusion" of male athletes with DSDs (and eventually male athletes with trans gender identities too) in women's competition over attempting to insure fairness and safety for female athletes.
Also, for the record: the identity of the six athletes in women's competition who reportedly tested positive for the SRY gene at the Barcelona Olympic Games in 1992 has never been disclosed, either.
But at any rate, there's no reason why in this day and age any athlete good enough to be competing at the highest levels of international track & field would be showing up to undergo the DNA sex screening that WA will be administering without already knowing full well if they're SRY-gene positive and what their sex chromosomes are - and a lot more on top of that if they have genetic conditions such as DSDs.
People all around the world get the kind of kind of DNA sex screening that WA will be requiring - and lots of other kinds of far more extensive DNA testing too - done on themselves, their children and their unborn offspring all the time for a variety of purposes. Such as medical diagnosis; targeted medical care; finding out if they (or their child or fetus) carries genetic mutations for specific health conditions and other traits; establishing and ruling out paternity and other family relationships; geneology; information about ethnicity/lineage; forensics/crime solving; compiling data bases of criminals and people charged with crimes; keeping a record of a person's DNA profile on file for insurance and other reasons (something commonly done for people in hazardous/dangerous lines of work like firefighting); prenatal screening; newborn health screening; sex-selective abortion; sex-selection of IVF embryos prior to transfer; gathering information about miscarried embryos and fetuses that might explain why miscarriage happened; and just plain curiosity.
Most Americans are too ignorant to know what they want on this.
They have never been exposure to unisex restroom setups, which are the norm in much of Europe and more and more buildings in the North America because they are a much better use of space.
One big room with 10 highly private stalls and a couple of sinks, vs two rooms each with five stalls offering no privacy at all? I'll take the modern one.
I call BS. I'm from Belgium, have been to France many times, occasionally to the UK, the Netherlands, Germany, Spain, Greece... I have never seen unisex restrooms.
Henk Botha and the other men at the highest levels of Namibian sports, business, politics and culture knew exactly what they were doing when they put Mboma and Masilingi on center stage in elite women's sports - where the two teens were bound to come under the harsh glare of the spotlight and prying, distressing questions inevitably would be raised about their sex as milions of people around the world world scrutinized their physiques, progression and remarkable times. The men behind the scheme to turn the "turbo teens" from Namibia into track sensations as big as Caster Semenya were following the playbook used with such success by their counterparts in South Africa - the country next door that Namibia used to be part of, and where Botha and his wife are originally from.
If this is the case, why did they enter Mboma and Maslinhi in 400m where they were ineligible? Wouldn't it make more sense to enter them only in 100m and 200m and pretend there is nothing unusual about them?
Please don't tell us they were intentionally trying to cause controversy. When WA changed their policy in 2023, they chose to follow it instead of fighting it in the court.
People all around the world get the kind of kind of DNA sex screening that WA will be requiring - and lots of other kinds of far more extensive DNA testing too - done on themselves, their children and their unborn offspring all the time for a variety of purposes. Such as medical diagnosis; targeted medical care; finding out if they (or their child or fetus) carries genetic mutations for specific health conditions and other traits; establishing and ruling out paternity and other family relationships; geneology; information about ethnicity/lineage; forensics/crime solving; compiling data bases of criminals and people charged with crimes; keeping a record of a person's DNA profile on file for insurance and other reasons (something commonly done for people in hazardous/dangerous lines of work like firefighting); prenatal screening; newborn health screening; sex-selective abortion; sex-selection of IVF embryos prior to transfer; gathering information about miscarried embryos and fetuses that might explain why miscarriage happened; and just plain curiosity.
Do people in Namibia get this kind of screening for their new born babies? I thought most births there were not attended by medical professionals. At least that's what you told us on this board. Do village midwives in Namibia have this kind of information they can offer to new parents?
How about Burundi, where Niyonsaba was born? Or Niger, where Seyni was born? Or Uganda, where Negesa was born?