We know that you don't follow the sport since you thought Aregawi, third fastest man in history in the 3000m, isn't a good 3000m runner, but can't you at least put some effort into it?
lol Nice one.
I'm just confused for why he's doing this, he hasn't followed the sport since Snell retired but yet he makes up complete lies about runners when the runners themselves says the opposite of what Army says, and he can't even be bothered to look easily verifiable facts like personal records.
Of all the current runners, it's crazy to think Grant might be the betting favorite but I remind you Jakob was hurt last year and beat Grant by 1.5 seconds.
Aregawi or Hagos.
Wasnt Gebrehiwet something like a 54 close in his 12:36. If these guys had a clue how to peak at the right time...
Hagos barely beat Jakob 2019, when Jakob was 19 years old, that is not happening anymore, he is already over 30. Simply a different level.
Too lazy to check exactly how many races in a row he has won in these two events but the win streak must be pretty big now.
He seems to be levels above the east africans - so much so that he made the 5000m WR holder in Cheptegei flee for the 10000m in the olympics. Aregawi gave him a scare but as good as he is he is inferior in all aspects to Jakob.
As for other westerners, there's always Nuguse, Hocker, Fisher, Kerr et al. but they always seem to duck him when the championship races come around. Fisher is quality and has certainly improved, but one can't forget that the last time he raced Jakob in the 3000 the latter broke the WR and the former finished DFL.
So what about the up and comers? Could Laros be the one? He's claimed a couple of Jakob's age records and recently ran 7:29, indicating sub-13 shape for the 5k (Jakob ran 13:02 at his fastest before turning 20).
One thing I know for sure is that Jakob will always be a factor in every 5000m final. I could realistically see him contending for a medal in that event in every championship until 2033.
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he beat a soon-to-be 5000m Olympic bronze medalist in the same race by almost 3 secs though. I think that's good enough to tell he has great potential in the 3k/5k in championships.
He might, but again, he's in his prime years and he's dedicating it to running 8/15. The older he gets, the more middle distance speed he loses which is where his main strength lies.
A field consisting of guys like the Africans, Jakob, Almgren, Lobalu, Fisher, Crippa, Mo Ahmed, potentially someone like George Mills and tons of others isn't going to let races become a 13:20 jog as long as someone wants to push the pace.
I agree it's all speculative, and I certainly don't believe he can pull it off with just 1500m training (unlike Jakob who effectively trains like a 3k/5k guy with his LT works). It's just that many people seem to underestimate his endurance. Not a lot of pure 1500m guys (certainly not a 800/1500 guys) can run a 8-flat 2 miler. Hell even sub 8:05 is pushing it. 8:00 is a pretty great time for a guy who purely focuses on the 1500 and shows a lot of natural strength. That's why I think he's a strength-based 1500m runner like Jakob and El G, same goes to Hocker, compared to say Tim (1:43 800m, 7:34 3k) or macdaddy. And if he ever tackles the 5k seriously (which I doubt), I wouldn't rule him out, at least not in a 13:00+ race.
He might, but again, he's in his prime years and he's dedicating it to running 8/15. The older he gets, the more middle distance speed he loses which is where his main strength lies.
A field consisting of guys like the Africans, Jakob, Almgren, Lobalu, Fisher, Crippa, Mo Ahmed, potentially someone like George Mills and tons of others isn't going to let races become a 13:20 jog as long as someone wants to push the pace.
I agree it's all speculative, and I certainly don't believe he can pull it off with just 1500m training (unlike Jakob who effectively trains like a 3k/5k guy with his LT works). It's just that many people seem to underestimate his endurance. Not a lot of pure 1500m guys (certainly not a 800/1500 guys) can run a 8-flat 2 miler. Hell even sub 8:05 is pushing it. 8:00 is a pretty great time for a guy who purely focuses on the 1500 and shows a lot of natural strength. That's why I think he's a strength-based 1500m runner like Jakob and El G, same goes to Hocker, compared to say Tim (1:43 800m, 7:34 3k) or macdaddy. And if he ever tackles the 5k seriously (which I doubt), I wouldn't rule him out, at least not in a 13:00+ race.
Even if he transitions full time to the 5000, he hasn't shown anything that would show he can be uniquely competitive compared to the rest of the field. His PB was an all out effort 13:23, when guys like Jakob runs 12:48, which wasn't an all out effort, at age 20 and still being probably a decade away from peak long distance performance age.
When Kerr actually starts transitioning to the 5000 full time he's going to have most likely started slowing down due to age while Jakob hasn't entered his peak yet.
I agree it's all speculative, and I certainly don't believe he can pull it off with just 1500m training (unlike Jakob who effectively trains like a 3k/5k guy with his LT works). It's just that many people seem to underestimate his endurance. Not a lot of pure 1500m guys (certainly not a 800/1500 guys) can run a 8-flat 2 miler. Hell even sub 8:05 is pushing it. 8:00 is a pretty great time for a guy who purely focuses on the 1500 and shows a lot of natural strength. That's why I think he's a strength-based 1500m runner like Jakob and El G, same goes to Hocker, compared to say Tim (1:43 800m, 7:34 3k) or macdaddy. And if he ever tackles the 5k seriously (which I doubt), I wouldn't rule him out, at least not in a 13:00+ race.
Even if he transitions full time to the 5000, he hasn't shown anything that would show he can be uniquely competitive compared to the rest of the field. His PB was an all out effort 13:23, when guys like Jakob runs 12:48, which wasn't an all out effort, at age 20 and still being probably a decade away from peak long distance performance age.
When Kerr actually starts transitioning to the 5000 full time he's going to have most likely started slowing down due to age while Jakob hasn't entered his peak yet.
3:27/8:00 shows enough potential to be extremely competitive in a championship 5k. Again, I'm not saying he can do it NOW. He does need tons of specific training. Jakob is an outlier because of his threshold approach.
Anyway, in response to OP's question, I think the most likely candidate to beat Jakob would be, as I mentioned, a strength-based 1500m just like Jakob. Aside from that, the closest I can think of is Fisher, who is on quite an upward trajectory and apparently has great speed for a 5k/10k guy despite what his coach said, so I wouldn't rule him out.
Still, a 12:30-35 guy with 3:26/7:17 PBs to his name is just so OP(overpowering) it would require everything to fall into place to see him beaten, like he gets sick, or/and boxed in or tripped comes the bell lap. And that's why , 2023 World was still the closest race he got beaten where he got sick and there's actually another strength-based 1500m guy, who got smoked at the DL but really dangerous in a championship, doped or not.
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honestly, if you think Kerr, you should think hocker instead. He's a more talented version of Kerr--better kick. slightly better 3000/2 mile ability (7:23 a little better than 8:00). has actually broken 13 in a 5000. some level of cross country success.
honestly, if you think Kerr, you should think hocker instead. He's a more talented version of Kerr--better kick. slightly better 3000/2 mile ability (7:23 a little better than 8:00). has actually broken 13 in a 5000. some level of cross country success.
Yeah, Hocker is included in that list (strength-based 1500m runner). Not sure about more talented though, as they're pretty much identical ability-wise but of course right now things look brighter on Hocker's side, when Kerr is dealing with hip injuries, not to mention an Olympic Gold Hocker has.
I'm sure he could run 12:35, because - as you like to remind us again and again about Jakob - he's never tried to run a fast time. But Kerr is probably happy just to keep beating Jakob in his main event - you know, the one he races more than any other.
Kerr himself says his two best 5000m times were all out efforts.
We know that you don't follow the sport since you thought Aregawi, third fastest man in history in the 3000m, isn't a good 3000m runner, but can't you at least put some effort into it?
Kerr is modest; Jakob isn't - and obviously neither are his fans.
I agree it's all speculative, and I certainly don't believe he can pull it off with just 1500m training (unlike Jakob who effectively trains like a 3k/5k guy with his LT works). It's just that many people seem to underestimate his endurance. Not a lot of pure 1500m guys (certainly not a 800/1500 guys) can run a 8-flat 2 miler. Hell even sub 8:05 is pushing it. 8:00 is a pretty great time for a guy who purely focuses on the 1500 and shows a lot of natural strength. That's why I think he's a strength-based 1500m runner like Jakob and El G, same goes to Hocker, compared to say Tim (1:43 800m, 7:34 3k) or macdaddy. And if he ever tackles the 5k seriously (which I doubt), I wouldn't rule him out, at least not in a 13:00+ race.
Even if he transitions full time to the 5000, he hasn't shown anything that would show he can be uniquely competitive compared to the rest of the field. His PB was an all out effort 13:23, when guys like Jakob runs 12:48, which wasn't an all out effort, at age 20 and still being probably a decade away from peak long distance performance age.
When Kerr actually starts transitioning to the 5000 full time he's going to have most likely started slowing down due to age while Jakob hasn't entered his peak yet.
Jakob has peaked. The chances of him running faster than 7:17 are very slim.
He might, but again, he's in his prime years and he's dedicating it to running 8/15. The older he gets, the more middle distance speed he loses which is where his main strength lies.
A field consisting of guys like the Africans, Jakob, Almgren, Lobalu, Fisher, Crippa, Mo Ahmed, potentially someone like George Mills and tons of others isn't going to let races become a 13:20 jog as long as someone wants to push the pace.
I agree it's all speculative, and I certainly don't believe he can pull it off with just 1500m training (unlike Jakob who effectively trains like a 3k/5k guy with his LT works). It's just that many people seem to underestimate his endurance. Not a lot of pure 1500m guys (certainly not a 800/1500 guys) can run a 8-flat 2 miler. Hell even sub 8:05 is pushing it. 8:00 is a pretty great time for a guy who purely focuses on the 1500 and shows a lot of natural strength. That's why I think he's a strength-based 1500m runner like Jakob and El G, same goes to Hocker, compared to say Tim (1:43 800m, 7:34 3k) or macdaddy. And if he ever tackles the 5k seriously (which I doubt), I wouldn't rule him out, at least not in a 13:00+ race.
Jakob will make sure it's a 13:00 or so race. Fast doesn't suit him.
We know that you don't follow the sport since you thought Aregawi, third fastest man in history in the 3000m, isn't a good 3000m runner, but can't you at least put some effort into it?
Kerr is modest; Jakob isn't - and obviously neither are his fans.
lol, is that the same Kerr I know of? I actually lol'd irl.
Even if he transitions full time to the 5000, he hasn't shown anything that would show he can be uniquely competitive compared to the rest of the field. His PB was an all out effort 13:23, when guys like Jakob runs 12:48, which wasn't an all out effort, at age 20 and still being probably a decade away from peak long distance performance age.
When Kerr actually starts transitioning to the 5000 full time he's going to have most likely started slowing down due to age while Jakob hasn't entered his peak yet.
Jakob has peaked. The chances of him running faster than 7:17 are very slim.
he won't improve forever, that's for sure, but what's the indication that he has peaked? I mean he seems to have been having a great build-up compared to last year and he's still only 24.
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Even if he transitions full time to the 5000, he hasn't shown anything that would show he can be uniquely competitive compared to the rest of the field. His PB was an all out effort 13:23, when guys like Jakob runs 12:48, which wasn't an all out effort, at age 20 and still being probably a decade away from peak long distance performance age.
When Kerr actually starts transitioning to the 5000 full time he's going to have most likely started slowing down due to age while Jakob hasn't entered his peak yet.
3:27/8:00 shows enough potential to be extremely competitive in a championship 5k. Again, I'm not saying he can do it NOW. He does need tons of specific training. Jakob is an outlier because of his threshold approach.
Anyway, in response to OP's question, I think the most likely candidate to beat Jakob would be, as I mentioned, a strength-based 1500m just like Jakob. Aside from that, the closest I can think of is Fisher, who is on quite an upward trajectory and apparently has great speed for a 5k/10k guy despite what his coach said, so I wouldn't rule him out.
Still, a 12:30-35 guy with 3:26/7:17 PBs to his name is just so OP(overpowering) it would require everything to fall into place to see him beaten, like he gets sick, or/and boxed in or tripped comes the bell lap. And that's why , 2023 World was still the closest race he got beaten where he got sick and there's actually another strength-based 1500m guy, who got smoked at the DL but really dangerous in a championship, doped or not.
You can't just keep extrapolating information upwards based on times they've run in the shorter distances. 2 mile is the top end of Kerrs range, the 1500 is the lowest end of Jakobs range. Kerr gets worse the longer the distance gets, Jakob gets better.
A runner who can't crack the top 1000 when running an all out effort is extremely unlikely to become competitive in the fastest field the event has seen.
We know that you don't follow the sport since you thought Aregawi, third fastest man in history in the 3000m, isn't a good 3000m runner, but can't you at least put some effort into it?
Kerr is modest; Jakob isn't - and obviously neither are his fans.
Again, why do you do this? Why do you make up lies based on absolutely nothing when the people themselves you're making up lies about says the complete opposite of what you're saying?
We know that you don't follow the sport since you thought Aregawi, third fastest man in history in the 3000m, isn't a good 3000m runner, but can't you at least put some effort into it?
Kerr is modest; Jakob isn't - and obviously neither are his fans.
You are embarrassing yourself a bit too much here.
3:27/8:00 shows enough potential to be extremely competitive in a championship 5k. Again, I'm not saying he can do it NOW. He does need tons of specific training. Jakob is an outlier because of his threshold approach.
Anyway, in response to OP's question, I think the most likely candidate to beat Jakob would be, as I mentioned, a strength-based 1500m just like Jakob. Aside from that, the closest I can think of is Fisher, who is on quite an upward trajectory and apparently has great speed for a 5k/10k guy despite what his coach said, so I wouldn't rule him out.
Still, a 12:30-35 guy with 3:26/7:17 PBs to his name is just so OP(overpowering) it would require everything to fall into place to see him beaten, like he gets sick, or/and boxed in or tripped comes the bell lap. And that's why , 2023 World was still the closest race he got beaten where he got sick and there's actually another strength-based 1500m guy, who got smoked at the DL but really dangerous in a championship, doped or not.
You can't just keep extrapolating information upwards based on times they've run in the shorter distances. 2 mile is the top end of Kerrs range, the 1500 is the lowest end of Jakobs range. Kerr gets worse the longer the distance gets, Jakob gets better.
A runner who can't crack the top 1000 when running an all out effort is extremely unlikely to become competitive in the fastest field the event has seen.
Im on your side here, but curious cat is obviously set in his position, same as us.
And guess what? WE WILL NEVER FIND OUT. because Kerr knows it's not for him and will never ever ever even be good enough to make an attempt.
unlike Hocker who is JUST good enough at longer distances to delude himself into thinking he can be the same thing as Jakob. And reasonably so.
Kerr is modest; Jakob isn't - and obviously neither are his fans.
You are embarrassing yourself a bit too much here.
I can only hope that I have the ability to troll the sh!t out of 100s of posters when I'm a 70 year old man like Army. hahaha...can't believe the number of responses you guys give him.
the guy probably doubles as Rich in CA. Brilliant.
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