2000m 5:32.36 2200m 6:03.8 2600m 7:00.9 2800m 7:28.27 3000m 7:54.95 Last 1000m 2:22.59 Last 800m 1:51.15 Last 400m 54.05 Last 200m 26.68
----------------------- 2016 WC indoors Kejelcha
2000m 5:34.33 2200m 6:03.30 3000m 7:57.22 Last 1000m 2:22.89 Last 800m 1:53.92 -------------------------- 2018 WC indoors Kejelcha
2000m 5:51.71 2200m 6;22.1 3000m 8:14.41 Last 1000m 2.22.70 Last 800m 1:52.31 --------------------------- 2022 WC indoors Barega 2000m 5:15.32 2200m 5:45.60 3000m 7:41.38 Last 1000m 2.26.06 Last 800m 1:55.78
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Some posters have alleged that Jakob can only win championships against weak competition. I think the above numbers show that Jakob would easily have won all indoor World champs in the 3000m from 2006 to 2024 if he had raced in his current shape.
Top 3 assuredly. I tend to think Kessler would be in the neighborhood of where Mills was (which is still quite good, closing in 3:35).
I wouldn't completely rule out Fisher/Aregawi as while they are getting dangerously close to their top end, I still see them beating Mills/Kessler. Fisher's PBs arent exactly from when he's at 100% sharpness, he might have a 3:32 in him, and the same for Aregawi. Kejelcha is another name to toss in this mix, but at this stage he might fall a bit short, as might Barega.
Fisher ran 3:33.99 right before running his lifetime bests of 7:22/12:44. That's the peak of sharpness. He can't do this. Kessler isn't a 3k guy. He ran 7:35 before winning U.S. champs. He's definitely not there yet. Hocker could probably do it. Nuguse's 3k pr is similar to Mill's. He'd probably have been able to beat Mills but not equal Jakob, who after all took the pedal off the medal. Kerr could have done this last year indoors (his wr for the indoor 2M was equivalent to 7:24 and he has 3:27 1500m speed). Also, I want to point out that while Mills picked the pace up before, until 2k, no lap had even been at 4:00 1600m pace (the fastest having been 30s-33s during the pickup). This 3:34 was done solely on the strength of the last 1k in 2:19, which is 3:28.5 pace.
Before starting to consider what other runners would have been able to run if they have participated in the Apeldoorn 3000m final I think would be wise to make clear on which conditions these other runners should have been participating.
Poster QUERE has in an earlier post alleged that 6 current runners AND more than 6 runners from the past could have run as fast as Jakob on the last 1000m.
If that means that every single of these runners one by one should substitute Jakob in the race frontrunning the last 500m to a low 2:19 I would say NO PAST OR CURRENT RUNNER COULD DO THAT.
Other runners would only have a change to run a 2:19 last 1000m in that race if they got the possibility to draft on Jakob in the last 500m and even under this condition I only see Kerr and Hocker in top shape having a chance. And PERHAPS El-G and Komen from the past. Nobody else.
See my post above regarding former and current top runners times in earlier 3000m indoor WCs.
Do you realize that your opinion about Bekele and Geb is a mere postulate?
If they never in a 5000m or 3000m have finished even close to 2:19 for the final 1000m it is most likely because they didn´t have that ability.
More Bekele races:
In the 2003 WC 5000m final Bekele got bronce after Kipchoge and El-G. The last 1000m was run in 2:24.33; the last 800m in 1:52.0. But it was a fast winning time: 12.52.79.
In the OG 5000m final in 2004 Bekele lost to El-G who ran 13:14.4 so not so fast this time. Last 1000m in 2:26.78 and last 800m in 1.54.4
In the 2009 WC 5000m final Bekele finally won a WC gold in this event in 13:17.10 with a 2:24.88 last 1000m and 1:51.98 last 800m.
Jakob has finished races like the Olympic 2004 final and the WC 2009 final in 2:21 for the last 1000m.
Does it look like your Bekele could come close to a 2:19/ 1:49 finish?
When also taking into account that Jakob is MUCH faster in the 3000m, the 2000m and the 1500m than Bekele was. And possibly also in the 5000m when runs a fast paced 5000m.
And that Jakob´s fastest 1000m finish until yesterday - as far as I remember - was a high 2:20 in a 5000m final.
Do know a litle bit about scientific principles? If not, I can inform you that YOU have the burden of evidence for your claims. So if you - in this case - can´t point to an actual race where Bekele or Geb has run near Jakob´s times your claim is dismissed.
You are a stubborn Norwegian and frankly a Jakob fanboy, and anything but an “objective observer.” You don’t understand this sort of thing, and frankly, there are only about half a dozen of you who seem to. There are a few people here like JWH and Thoughtsguy, that if they disagree with me I will think about it a bit, but not guys like you.
You are double wrong! I am neither Norwigian nor a fanboy (but I can reckognize greatness when I see it!)
I agree that THL and JWH are serious posters who try to be objective, including in relation to Jakob even though they are supporters of other runners. You can add "zcxvzxcv" to that small group of serious, objective posters
I will, however, point out that I have been better to predict Jakob´s progression starting more than 8 years ago where I predicted that Jakob would break all the WRs from the 1500m to the 10000m.
Furthermore I possibly had some of the best predictions before he broke the 2miles WB and the 2000 and 3000m WRs. I predicted he would break these records wih a significant margin (but I still underestimated a bit; most posters (including yourself I guess?) underestimated by a lot).
About the substance of your postulate regarding what current and past runners could do, see my posts just above.