Becasue she almost won a medal for her country. Can you imagine an NFL guy not showin up for a game simply because he was sick?
More than that, she said she thought it would be OK but found that she didn't have the reserves to draw on in that last 200. Anyone who has ever raced or even done a hard workout when they are ill will know that it can often seem OK... until it doesn't, and you just fall off a cliff.
He needs the 7:31 3K standard to qualify for Nanjing
He will have to set a massive indoor PB to do so - his best 3000m indoors is 7:40.32 from Istanbul in 2023. That makes him just the 52nd fastest European in history and the 182nd fastest man ever for the indoor 3000. Maybe it just isn't his distance?
in a slow race he begged for a sit and kick, beating setting up the field from leading most of the way. same old same old. and why?
i'd want to see a move from 600 m out at most and drop a 26 second 200m, and take it home. with a gap, they can't sit and kick. which is the point of not allowing competitors of 2 seconds less ability to gain the upper hand drafting all the way, and appearing have the big kick, when it is a win in a war of attrition in the stretcy.
no matter, it's practice of sorts.
like someone said, you need to close in 148 to pull those kind of tactics off at the next level.
Jacobs competitors are showing sportsmanship in great admiration, and they will gladly show more admiration, when Jacob rabbits them all the way to their win in a fast championship race. same old.
a bit frustrated.
I'm sure some will scrutinize these points and get mad at you for being frustrated by a win, but I give you props and I hope Rojo makes you post of the week honestly.
Maybe Jakob is too serious for this, but what if he just decided to let it be a random race and kicked from mid-pack in the last 200? It would be fun to see, and I honestly don't know what would happen. Or as you propose just dropping a crazy surge instead of the lead and squeeze tactic to see how his competitors respond and if he can get a Tim in Doha-like gap.
I think we all agree he played it safe instead and preserved his energy, but I don't think he/we learned anything about the other tactics he could use. It was a workmanlike effort, and we shouldn't complain BUT it would certainly be fun to see him try a new thing or two to prove a point. And we have seen precedent of athletes doing that in circuit races...maybe not as much championships.
Becasue she almost won a medal for her country. Can you imagine an NFL guy not showin up for a game simply because he was sick?
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Yes I can imagine ANY athlete not performing with the flu. The flu is t a minor illness like an upset stomach or toothache, hundreds of people workdwide die EVERYDAY from flu and pneumonia complications.
Becasue she almost won a medal for her country. Can you imagine an NFL guy not showin up for a game simply because he was sick?
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Yes I can imagine ANY athlete not performing with the flu. The flu ISN'T t a minor illness like an upset stomach or toothache, hundreds of people world wide die EVERYDAY from flu and pneumonia complications.
in a slow race he begged for a sit and kick, beating setting up the field from leading most of the way. same old same old. and why?
i'd want to see a move from 600 m out at most and drop a 26 second 200m, and take it home. with a gap, they can't sit and kick. which is the point of not allowing competitors of 2 seconds less ability to gain the upper hand drafting all the way, and appearing have the big kick, when it is a win in a war of attrition in the stretcy.
no matter, it's practice of sorts.
like someone said, you need to close in 148 to pull those kind of tactics off at the next level.
Jacobs competitors are showing sportsmanship in great admiration, and they will gladly show more admiration, when Jacob rabbits them all the way to their win in a fast championship race. same old.
a bit frustrated.
I'm sure some will scrutinize these points and get mad at you for being frustrated by a win, but I give you props and I hope Rojo makes you post of the week honestly.
Maybe Jakob is too serious for this, but what if he just decided to let it be a random race and kicked from mid-pack in the last 200? It would be fun to see, and I honestly don't know what would happen. Or as you propose just dropping a crazy surge instead of the lead and squeeze tactic to see how his competitors respond and if he can get a Tim in Doha-like gap.
I think we all agree he played it safe instead and preserved his energy, but I don't think he/we learned anything about the other tactics he could use. It was a workmanlike effort, and we shouldn't complain BUT it would certainly be fun to see him try a new thing or two to prove a point. And we have seen precedent of athletes doing that in circuit races...maybe not as much championships.
Didn't he do just this in one of the rounds of the last olympics or WC?
He needs the 7:31 3K standard to qualify for Nanjing
He will have to set a massive indoor PB to do so - his best 3000m indoors is 7:40.32 from Istanbul in 2023. That makes him just the 52nd fastest European in history and the 182nd fastest man ever for the indoor 3000. Maybe it just isn't his distance?
TL, you make the same mistake as most posters here: You think he was all in but he wasn´t.
If he had been all in he would have destroyed his competition in the last lap.
I think he will go all in sunday in the end of the 3000m final (barring any accidents).
Is it a mistake? I have watched a lot of Jakob, and so have you. In terms of tactics, yes he exhibits different levels of seriousness and commitment. But in the last 75 if I see him looking around for me it is nearly always to check if he has done enough. It's more that than than indicative there is another gear coming or available. If he had this supposed extra gear, we would see it on display in these slower races. That being said yes of course he could've held that speed longer, and that will be his route to winning. He has to outlast these guys. But he showed nothing special today, where the top 4-5 guys don't think they could come over the top of it with a sub-13 last 100.
Why? The whole point is that he’s doing what he needs to win and nothing more. He actually put in another burst off the final turn today and then looked around just before easing up. It’s a mistake to assume him looking around means he’s running flat out, because often times he’s simply checking to ensure he doesn’t get sniped at the line. Do you honestly believe he couldn’t have responded if one of the guys behind him made a move?
They will dismiss the euros, but at the same time call people legends if they are NCAA champs. I think the continental championship thing just doesn't track for americans (see what I did).
Americans who treat college running as more prestigious and more valuable than being the champion of Europe is something I will never wrap my head around
If some Americans treat college running as more prestigious and valuable than the Olympics and Worlds what hope does Euros have?
I'm sure some will scrutinize these points and get mad at you for being frustrated by a win, but I give you props and I hope Rojo makes you post of the week honestly.
Maybe Jakob is too serious for this, but what if he just decided to let it be a random race and kicked from mid-pack in the last 200? It would be fun to see, and I honestly don't know what would happen. Or as you propose just dropping a crazy surge instead of the lead and squeeze tactic to see how his competitors respond and if he can get a Tim in Doha-like gap.
I think we all agree he played it safe instead and preserved his energy, but I don't think he/we learned anything about the other tactics he could use. It was a workmanlike effort, and we shouldn't complain BUT it would certainly be fun to see him try a new thing or two to prove a point. And we have seen precedent of athletes doing that in circuit races...maybe not as much championships.
Didn't he do just this in one of the rounds of the last olympics or WC?
Budapest semifinal. 8th at the bell, didn't make his move until 250 to go, and won easily. Final 300 in 38 while running wide and raising an arm to the crowd.
Didn't he do just this in one of the rounds of the last olympics or WC?
Kind of. It didn’t look intentional, and in a round it’s not as much of a deal because the top guys aren’t going to the well (Kerr was cruising). I’d like to see it in an event final. Also just a small quibble but the last 200 vs 300 to go is a difference, too.
Why? The whole point is that he’s doing what he needs to win and nothing more. He actually put in another burst off the final turn today and then looked around just before easing up. It’s a mistake to assume him looking around means he’s running flat out, because often times he’s simply checking to ensure he doesn’t get sniped at the line. Do you honestly believe he couldn’t have responded if one of the guys behind him made a move?
I think he was flat out or very close. I don’t think he had nothing left by any means but that doesn’t mean his max speed goes up much. He just could’ve gone another 109 if it was changed to a mile. My point was purely about Salvatore’s blueprint idea I don’t begrudge him at all for running how he did. I just don’t see it as a template when he faces 3:27 guys.
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I see your point, I don't completely agree. Because that then relies on those guys wanting to/being able to drive the race from the front from basically the start of the race and I don't think that is the MO of either Kerr or Hocker (and even Nuguse) tbh. I don't think any of those three would be particularly happy or willing to take out a global final in 56.0 seconds. I think there are almost always lulls in these races after the opening 300m where the fields look to settle in position and give opportunities for moves like this. I could definitely envision a situation where Jakob is able to run a very relaxed opening 150m and then make his way to the front down the back straight for the second time to mount a massive screw-turner from 1000m out. Just my opinion though.
Again that’s fine and my concern is with the screw-turning not the game plan. Today falls way short of the sort of sustained kick and finish he needs.
After taking the lead he went 14.3/14.4/14.4/14.2/13.8/13.4/13.1/13.06 which is 1:50.66. He will need to be hitting a 1:48pt in all likelihood against the big boys, and 14+ segments are going to do zilch.
EDIT: and don’t get me wrong in saying that this sort of execution would result in him getting crushed by everyone…26.16 is a creditable finish and no cakewalk to top from behind. His floor is high with this, as what is Nuguse/Kerr’s max finish 25.8? With Yared’s positioning he might be in trouble. Tactically I’d trust Kerr. Hocker can finish a slower race in 25.5. That’s the trump card.
Okay but today was the 7th of March right? That's 195 days away from the Tokyo final.
The expectation was that in the European indoors he was going to be in form to rip off a 1.48 final 800 off even a 1.42 opening 700m? (a 3.30 effort). I mean that's up in there in degree of difficulty with El G's famous Athens close and this would represent the absolute best of Jakob in career best form.
That effort today was at a perfect level for the beginning of March. I know there is some sentiment that Jakob is basically in the same form the entire year round and we are a little fooled by being treated to things such as 3.45.1 miles in Feb paced perfectly by wavelight - but he's not. I mean yeah, if he ran that kind of race he'll get beaten by all of the top guns and probably Kessler and Laros too but no way that was the limit of his potential and it shouldn't be at this time of the year.
I will also say this - Nuguse/Kerr/Hocker aren't running the final 200m in under 26.0 seconds if they have had to run 1.51.5 for the 800 meters heading into it. And there is still only one guy on the planet with the brute strength (7.17 3000m chops) to do this and still hold it together in the final 200m.
It's pretty funny how many of you are over analysing a pretty standard championship race for Jakob and comparing indoor splits with outdoor times. My observation is each indoor track is quite different to the next, with unique bounce characteristics, ramps, curve radius. It ain't a 400m olympic outdoor track.
And predicting what Kerr could do in XYZ race compared to what Jakob did in this race. Kerr didn't even turn up to Euros, end of story.
I'm with Salvitore, he did enough to win easily (from the back) in March. That's all there is to read into this. Another gold and box ticked for Jakob. Onto the next race.
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It's pretty funny how many of you are over analysing a pretty standard championship race for Jakob and comparing indoor splits with outdoor times. My observation is each indoor track is quite different to the next, with unique bounce characteristics, ramps, curve radius. It ain't a 400m olympic outdoor track.
And predicting what Kerr could do in XYZ race compared to what Jakob did in this race. Kerr didn't even turn up to Euros, end of story.
I'm with Salvitore, he did enough to win easily (from the back) in March. That's all there is to read into this. Another gold and box ticked for Jakob. Onto the next race.
Agreed. Kerr isn’t even healthy right now with Noro virus and a messed up hip. He might not even be a factor come outdoor season. Lot’s of things change.
Okay but today was the 7th of March right? That's 195 days away from the Tokyo final.
The expectation was that in the European indoors he was going to be in form to rip off a 1.48 final 800 off even a 1.42 opening 700m? (a 3.30 effort). I mean that's up in there in degree of difficulty with El G's famous Athens close and this would represent the absolute best of Jakob in career best form.
That effort today was at a perfect level for the beginning of March. I know there is some sentiment that Jakob is basically in the same form the entire year round and we are a little fooled by being treated to things such as 3.45.1 miles in Feb paced perfectly by wavelight - but he's not. I mean yeah, if he ran that kind of race he'll get beaten by all of the top guns and probably Kessler and Laros too but no way that was the limit of his potential and it shouldn't be at this time of the year.
I will also say this - Nuguse/Kerr/Hocker aren't running the final 200m in under 26.0 seconds if they have had to run 1.51.5 for the 800 meters heading into it. And there is still only one guy on the planet with the brute strength (7.17 3000m chops) to do this and still hold it together in the final 200m.
Fair points. He is undoubtedly sharper later on. In the referenced Budapest semi the splits are well off but he still did run ~12.6ish for the last 100 which isn’t something I think he can do year-round. But he activates that later. I see the nuances of your point, as you are saying this is more the manner of running he will need eg 950 from the finish, conserve energy and control/push.
