The point is winning in a global championship while front running, which again, is very rare. Jakob’s goal is to win like this because of how rare it is. Not sure what you are arguing here.
Agreed. But he said different things whether you blame it on his English or not. He said it isn’t tried (it has been in every global champs since 2016) and hasn’t been done successfully (it was in 2019). Which is why Tim tweeted it.
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“I have a responsibility to see what the human race possibly can do,” (Ingebrigtsen)
Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse and Wightman are asking, how is that working out? Their goals appear to be more modest than attempting to define human limits. Beating Ingebrigtsen can be enough.
How is it working out?
2X Olympic Gold, 2X WC Gold
Outdoor WRs: 2000, 3000, 2 mile
Indoor WRs: 1500, mile
no worries
when Jacob breaks the world record in 5k, the first thing that will come out of the mouth of the 1% loud incel minority, he's peaked and has no kick. etc.
Wayne Gretzky had to leave his home town due no absolute massive hate, when he scored a couple hundred goals, playing against much older boys. the hate was from parents, where Gretzky was somehow putting them down, taking potential food off their plate with success.
Agreed. But he said different things whether you blame it on his English or not. He said it isn’t tried (it has been in every global champs since 2016) and hasn’t been done successfully (it was in 2019). Which is why Tim tweeted it.
I agree in what you are saying here in this thread. And I too was a little puzzled by Jakob seemingly forgetting Cheruiyot’s successfully front running in 2019.
But I neither think the problem is Jakob’s English…
So here’s my theory: Jakob sometimes gets so eager to present huge thoughts or visions that he forget to present context, rightly. Or he just has some nuances that he for some reasons skips to express. Example: What he may want to say here is that he wants to be the first that front runs a championship and wins in a stellar time. (Maybe 3.27 flat/3.26 high).
I know my theory is a stretch. But in a interview with the Norwegian NRK today Jakob says that he in theory will do what nobody has done -winning in the most difficult way. (I think his wording “in theory” is somewhat strange, but may give meaning to my theory). Here is a google translate of the interview:
Ingebrigtsen unsure of how the trial will affect running: – I don't know how it will affect Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen (24) has not decided whether he will run in the World Athletics Championships. Two days later he will have to appear in the trial against Gjert Ingebrigtsen. European Championships ready: Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen will run in the European Athletics Indoor Championships from 6–9 March. PHOTO: NTB Viktor Sødal – Journalist in Oslo Journalist in Oslo Anders Skjerdingstad – Journalist in Apeldoorn Journalist in Apeldoorn Mathias Hagen – Journalist in Oslo Journalist in Oslo We report from Apeldoorn in the Netherlands Published today at 19:52 Updated 51 minutes ago – I don't know how it will affect the time we are running against. That's what Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen says to NRK when asked how the non-sporting case affects his efforts. This week he will run in the European Indoor Championships in Apeldoorn, Netherlands. On March 24, the trial against his father Gjert Ingebrigtsen will begin. – I have a good team around me who support and assist me as best they can, so that I can focus on what I want in the best possible way, which is running. That is something I appreciate, says Ingebrigtsen. You can watch the European Indoor Championships in Apeldoorn on NRK. Read also Gjert Ingebrigtsen charged with assault: Allegedly hit, kicked and threatened Jakob farogsønn.jpg In the European Indoor Championships, the 24-year-old will run a 1500-meter trial on Thursday, while the final will be on Friday. This weekend he will also run 3000 meters on Saturday and Sunday. Ingebrigtsen has already set several world records indoors this winter. He has previously stated that he wants to break ten world records. – Do the indoor rules count towards your world record tally of those you intend to break? – No, unfortunately they don’t. Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen in place in Apeldoorn in the Netherlands before the European Indoor Championships in Athletics. NETHERLANDS: Jakob Ingebrigtsen is in place to run the European Indoor Championships in Apeldoorn, Netherlands. PHOTO: HENRIK MYHR NIELSEN / NRK – One thing at a time In just over two weeks, the World Indoor Championships will also be held in China, but two days after the competition, Ingebrigtsen will have to appear in court. Ingebrigtsen will not confirm whether he will compete. – I really enjoy competing. I know very well that there will be a World Championships, but I take one thing at a time and am very focused now on the championship we are in now, says Jakob Ingebrigtsen. He also says that they make decisions continuously as the deadlines approach. Read also Confirms to NRK: Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen must appear in court two days after the China World Cup RL1T9DnVgDA For in the courtroom is his father Gjert Ingebrigtsen. The trial against the father starts on March 24 and will last seven weeks in Sør-Rogaland District Court. Gjert Ingebrigtsen is accused of mistreating two of his children, one of whom is Jakob Ingebrigtsen. The mistreatment is said to have occurred over a period of ten years. Gjert Ingebrigtsen has denied all charges against him. – Gjert does not plead guilty to the charges he is accused of, defense attorney Heidi Reisvang previously stated to NRK. In recent weeks, it has been uncertain whether the trial will be held in open court after Gjert Ingebrigtsen appealed the decision to hold an open court. Last week, it was confirmed that the appeal has been rejected and will be held in open court. Gjert Ingebrigtsen CHARGED: Gjert Ingebrigtsen is charged with abusing his son Jakob Ingebrigtsen and another sibling. PHOTO: NTB The light hare is coming to the championship In recent years, the green light hare has made its entry into the Diamond League, now for the first time it is also coming to an international championship. – I was not aware of that. I assume it is a spectator stunt. But as I said, this is the first time I have heard about it, says Jakob Ingebrigtsen. – Are you going to go for records? – It was not something I had in mind, but of course I like to run fast. I also really like to win. That is primarily why we are here. To compete for medals and run in a race. LIGHT SHARE: The light hare is now coming to the international championship. PHOTO: AFP Previously, Ingebrigtsen has tried to win several championship races by running in the front. It doesn't seem like he has any intention of changing that. – In most cases, I want to solve the races as best I can, to come out as good as possible. But then again, there's something fascinating about doing it in the most difficult way possible, which exists, and which in theory no one has succeeded in. There's something interesting about that, Ingebrigtsen tells NRK.
Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen (24) har ikke bestemt seg for om han skal løpe friidretts-VM. To dager senere må han møte i rettssaken mot Gjert Ingebrigtsen.
I'd like to see him front run to gold in the 5k oh wait he'll never do that because he can successfully sit and kick in that distance.
Let's be real if he could win 1500 gold in a tactical race he would. His choice of race plan is a consequence of his deficiencies not some desire to win gold in the rarest most difficult way possible.
I'd like to see him front run to gold in the 5k oh wait he'll never do that because he can successfully sit and kick in that distance.
Let's be real if he could win 1500 gold in a tactical race he would. His choice of race plan is a consequence of his deficiencies not some desire to win gold in the rarest most difficult way possible.
I can just as easily flip it and say that he refuses to front run the 5000m because it would be easier for himself to win through strength alone. By sitting back, he makes it harder for himself to move through the pack.
He races the 1500m the way he does because it is the “Formula One” of athletics as he put it. Winning through front running is the equivalent of winning an 100m title to him, it is that special.
I'd like to see him front run to gold in the 5k oh wait he'll never do that because he can successfully sit and kick in that distance.
Let's be real if he could win 1500 gold in a tactical race he would. His choice of race plan is a consequence of his deficiencies not some desire to win gold in the rarest most difficult way possible.
His best chance to win is to have a countrymen front run a fast pace—the El G Strategy. Second best chance is to have someone else lead a fast pace—the HockKerr Strategy. Third best chance is to front run a fast pace himself—the London Rudisha Approach.
The worst approach for Jakob is to sit and kick. He would be giving up his biggest advantage—being faster than everyone. A sit and kick race brings in randomness and you get guy like Beamish and Centrowitz winning gold medals.
“I have a responsibility to see what the human race possibly can do,” (Ingebrigtsen)
Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse and Wightman are asking, how is that working out? Their goals appear to be more modest than attempting to define human limits. Beating Ingebrigtsen can be enough.
For Ingebrigtsen to become the greatest distance runner in history is more realistic than for Kerr to become the best Miler of his generation.
Ingebrigtsen has to pass Bekele, Gebrselassie and Kipchoge, no easy feat, that's for sure. But looking at his results he has achieved up to age 23, and with his great success in the 1500m which seperates him from those others, he has a realistic chance. For sure he needs to add 10000m success at the highest level which might be very difficult - we just have to wait what he can do.
For Kerr to become the greatest Miler of his generation is unrealistic when the other - younger - guys are improving constantly and when he (almost) doesn't race at all.
Ingebrigtsen will not be the greatest runner in history. He will certainly not determine the limits of human achievement for generations to come - Christ, what an ego. There are feats others have achieved he will never make. He will also continue to be beaten in his main event.
I’ll leave it be, but Yared Nuguse frontran USAs and the Olympic Semis last year. Tim frontran the Comm Games 1500, Kipsang in Budapest before Jakob took over. There are multiple athletes willing to have the lead in DLs after the pacers drop.
Generalizing this is strange. After Centro, a natural frontrunner has been prominent in every season and championship. That is 8 straight years. It would be MORE unique to not have a honest, fast championship with nobody keeping it honest at this point.
The point is winning in a global championship while front running, which again, is very rare. Jakob’s goal is to win like this because of how rare it is. Not sure what you are arguing here.
It's so rare that he has failed to achieve it. Cheruiyot meanwhile has - not to mention Bayi in even more spectacular fashion over 50 years ago. But not the Norwegian blowhard. He seems to think if he hasn't done it then no one has - and so do his fans.
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“I have a responsibility to see what the human race possibly can do,” (Ingebrigtsen)
Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse and Wightman are asking, how is that working out? Their goals appear to be more modest than attempting to define human limits. Beating Ingebrigtsen can be enough.
How is it working out?
2X Olympic Gold, 2X WC Gold
Outdoor WRs: 2000, 3000, 2 mile
Indoor WRs: 1500, mile
Hasn't won a global championship in his main event in nearly 4 years. Several other runners have worked out how to beat him. Yep - defining the limits of human achievement is certainly working out for Jakob. More like defining the limits of his own achievement.
The point is winning in a global championship while front running, which again, is very rare. Jakob’s goal is to win like this because of how rare it is. Not sure what you are arguing here.
Agreed. But he said different things whether you blame it on his English or not. He said it isn’t tried (it has been in every global champs since 2016) and hasn’t been done successfully (it was in 2019). Which is why Tim tweeted it.
We don't often agree but you are absolutely on the money with this point.
when Jacob breaks the world record in 5k, the first thing that will come out of the mouth of the 1% loud incel minority, he's peaked and has no kick. etc.
Wayne Gretzky had to leave his home town due no absolute massive hate, when he scored a couple hundred goals, playing against much older boys. the hate was from parents, where Gretzky was somehow putting them down, taking potential food off their plate with success.
Jesus Christ had some haters as well.
If you're good, haters will hate you.
Has he broken the 5k record? I must have missed it.
I'd like to see him front run to gold in the 5k oh wait he'll never do that because he can successfully sit and kick in that distance.
Let's be real if he could win 1500 gold in a tactical race he would. His choice of race plan is a consequence of his deficiencies not some desire to win gold in the rarest most difficult way possible.
Hasn't won a global championship in his main event in nearly 4 years. Several other runners have worked out how to beat him. Yep - defining the limits of human achievement is certainly working out for Jakob. More like defining the limits of his own achievement.
Umm no. Ingebrigtsen’s main event is the 5K where he is the 3X reigning global outdoor champion and undefeated in his senior career. The 1500 is a just a fun way for him to compete at an off distance.
when Jacob breaks the world record in 5k, the first thing that will come out of the mouth of the 1% loud incel minority, he's peaked and has no kick. etc.
Wayne Gretzky had to leave his home town due no absolute massive hate, when he scored a couple hundred goals, playing against much older boys. the hate was from parents, where Gretzky was somehow putting them down, taking potential food off their plate with success.
Jesus Christ had some haters as well.
If you're good, haters will hate you.
Has he broken the 5k record? I must have missed it.
For Ingebrigtsen to become the greatest distance runner in history is more realistic than for Kerr to become the best Miler of his generation.
Ingebrigtsen has to pass Bekele, Gebrselassie and Kipchoge, no easy feat, that's for sure. But looking at his results he has achieved up to age 23, and with his great success in the 1500m which seperates him from those others, he has a realistic chance. For sure he needs to add 10000m success at the highest level which might be very difficult - we just have to wait what he can do.
For Kerr to become the greatest Miler of his generation is unrealistic when the other - younger - guys are improving constantly and when he (almost) doesn't race at all.
Ingebrigtsen will not be the greatest runner in history.
You won't be around when his career is over so you won't know.
Your epitaph will read: "Thinking of Jakob until his last breath."
