A lot of guys see a 1:46.98 and think it's not that far off from a 1:49 but this honestly is two different levels. 1:46 indoors meant you had a good chance going 1:45, which everybody remembers less than a decade ago that got you a pro contract. 1:54 -> 1:46 in 3 years. Only person I know with this kind of progression hs sophomore/jr moving on to college, Hoppel/Harris/Sumner all ran 49-50 second 400's by hs sophomore year or a 1:53-1:54 800. Harris and Sumner were running 1:44-1:45 freshman yr, Hoppel was one step behind and did it his sophomore year. Only way you can get this type of progression is with puberty man. Guess who else had a suspect transition, now I know why people were very suspicious about Clayton Murphy back then 1:54 sr. year hs to 1:45 sophomore yr. college. A year after that he's chasing a doped up Makhloufi to get bronze..in the 800. On everything I love if I take a Murphy from hs and ask him to break 50 in the 400m he's not doing it, nor was he this aerobic monster. Now answer this how many 4:22/1:58 guys (Tuohy) were able to run 1:46 indoors, that list has to be extremely short? How many 1:54 hs guys (Murphy) have run 1:42-1:43 hell even 1:44-1:45? Don't talk to me about being extremely undertrained when these guys ran all 4 years of hs.
Tuohy qualifies for ACC 800m final
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Sure. This board keeps enabling doping by inventing narratives that are just nonsense. I pointed out one of numerous suspicious progressions among US pros. Hardly unique. And a dog bites man story in pro running. But as to why, I will go with Occam's razor. Not latent talent, genetic predisposition, nonlinear progression, better training, undertrained, multisport athlete, etc. The progression is classic Bowerman. You see the same pattern over and over, replete with a major doping bust, and you hopefully wise up.
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rbtrackfan wrote:
Flotrack post on IG:
We caught up with Patrick after his podium-finish on Monday and to keep it short, it’s been a rocky road for the newest member of the Wolfpack. Formerly competing for Fordham, Tuohy said he had done the opposite of what everyone dreams of in college athletics and was, “lost,” which eventually led to him prioritizing the, “college experience,” over running.
Between his gap at Fordham and NC State, he found a resurgence in his love for the sport through the trails that he once had logged countless miles on during his high school days. This added on top of having time to watch his siblings, Katelyn and Ryan Tuohy, compete inspired him to get back on his feet and was grateful for his family support system.
In July 2024, Patrick trained under John Trautmann and the Empire Elite team to truly light the fire back under his feet. Despite only 5 weeks of serious training under Trautmann, his (Patrick) 800m had improved from 1:52 → 1:48, which was a considerable improvement from his previous best of 1:54.
In Tuohy’s words, “I realized how good I could actually be if I put in long periods of training like an elite athlete.” After this, he decided that his best option would be to return to the NCAA where Coach Laurie Henes and NC State decided to give him the chance to finish his collegiate career.
The rest is history, and a journey continuing to be traveled by Patrick as he enters his final NCAA spring.This is way too sketchy. First of all he's a 7th year senior who should not be eligible. He graduated in 4 years, did nothing for 1 year out of college, trained with a pro group for his 2nd year out of college, then is able to go back to college and compete? The NCAA needs to investigate this. He should not be eligible.
2nd, going from 1:54 to 1:48 in 5 weeks is not possible without doping. Then 1:46 just 8 months later? There's no way you can look at this and think it's legit. Sorry.
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So obviously one poster who keeps posting under a ton of different names. Just like the “recruiting expert” who’s sometimes from Illinois, sometimes Ohio, rtc
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guysarentundertanding wrote:
Only way you can get this type of progression is with puberty man.
Who is puberty man?
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very sus wrote:
rbtrackfan wrote:
Flotrack post on IG:
We caught up with Patrick after his podium-finish on Monday and to keep it short, it’s been a rocky road for the newest member of the Wolfpack. Formerly competing for Fordham, Tuohy said he had done the opposite of what everyone dreams of in college athletics and was, “lost,” which eventually led to him prioritizing the, “college experience,” over running.
Between his gap at Fordham and NC State, he found a resurgence in his love for the sport through the trails that he once had logged countless miles on during his high school days. This added on top of having time to watch his siblings, Katelyn and Ryan Tuohy, compete inspired him to get back on his feet and was grateful for his family support system.
In July 2024, Patrick trained under John Trautmann and the Empire Elite team to truly light the fire back under his feet. Despite only 5 weeks of serious training under Trautmann, his (Patrick) 800m had improved from 1:52 → 1:48, which was a considerable improvement from his previous best of 1:54.
In Tuohy’s words, “I realized how good I could actually be if I put in long periods of training like an elite athlete.” After this, he decided that his best option would be to return to the NCAA where Coach Laurie Henes and NC State decided to give him the chance to finish his collegiate career.
The rest is history, and a journey continuing to be traveled by Patrick as he enters his final NCAA spring.This is way too sketchy. First of all he's a 7th year senior who should not be eligible. He graduated in 4 years, did nothing for 1 year out of college, trained with a pro group for his 2nd year out of college, then is able to go back to college and compete? The NCAA needs to investigate this. He should not be eligible.
2nd, going from 1:54 to 1:48 in 5 weeks is not possible without doping. Then 1:46 just 8 months later? There's no way you can look at this and think it's legit. Sorry.
just get lost and stop twisting data.
(no results shown in 2023)
2/10/24 1:51.84 indoors
next result 8/8/24 1:49.56 outdoors
then 8/12/24 1:48.16 outdoors
then 8/29/24 1:54.12 outdoors
next result 2/1/25 1:49.17 indoors
2/7/25 1:48.41
2/14/25 1:49.66
3/2/25 1:50.33 (prelims including the contact)
3/3/25 1:46.98 finals
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The man gunna run 1:44-1:45 outdoors
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A completely unbelievable progression resulting form only one thing and you know it.
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He trained and raced in high school. He trained and raced in college. He was a 1:54 guy. He then joins a magi al training group that dropped him by 3 seconds. Then one year later he drops 5 seconds????
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I have heard there is this bicarb stuff that is tied to all kinds of fast 800 times.....
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Crimes against the English language wrote:
guysarentundertanding wrote:
Only way you can get this type of progression is with puberty man.
Who is puberty man?
Yes, I coached Patrick during his comeback. The only supplement he was on was bath salts
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bro Shanmon wrote:
That is what I said. I am giving you credit for being reasonable. Any reasonable person would suspect doping if they see this improvement. I never suspect anyone. I think Hoey is clean. I think Fisher is clean. I think Valby is clean. I think Andrews is clean. I think Schweizer is clean. I think Houlihan was framed. I think Katelyn is clean although I may try to get Astro tripped up.
The only ones clean on that list - for now- are Valby and Tuohy. The others are all too obvious
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Your nit serious wrote:
bro Shanmon wrote:
That is what I said. I am giving you credit for being reasonable. Any reasonable person would suspect doping if they see this improvement. I never suspect anyone. I think Hoey is clean. I think Fisher is clean. I think Valby is clean. I think Andrews is clean. I think Schweizer is clean. I think Houlihan was framed. I think Katelyn is clean although I may try to get Astro tripped up.
The only ones clean on that list - for now- are Valby and Tuohy. The others are all too obvious
Andrews has basically one more season left before sunset. I can bet she’s all on to the doping to finally get some kind of national podium which she wouldn’t without doping.
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