There are a couple legitimate ways to justify such restrictions. The one that makes the most sense to me is European sports leagues have limits on the number of non-European players they can have on a roster (for soccer it is typically 2-3). Comparable treatment is reasonably justifiable.
We've been doing this in Canada for college/uni sports for years. In our conference for XC, it's a max of 2 internationals per gender per team.
I haven't checked on letstennis.com or letsgolf.com to see if there is the same level of whining that goes on this website. However, at the NCAA D1 level tennis and golf in both the men's and women's teams there is a far higher percentage of foreigners that make up their teams than anything compared to XC teams. Yes, OKS and NM are very high but there are more teams in tennis and golf with the same numbers. For every NM Men's XC team you will easily have 10 more tennis teams with all foreign student/athletes.
Most tennis fans don't care about college tennis. 99% of their discussion on the message boards is about ATP and WTA Tours.
I appreciate your suggestion, but I think I will actually just contact my state representatives to have them pass laws that benefit the people who already live here. I wish you luck in your mission to convince middle America to fund the Olympic development of East Africa, but I feel that it is a doomed one.
Your kid is clearly average enough that this bill wouldn’t change anything for him 🤷🏽♂️
Nevertheless, I’d rather the competition from other countries. Iron sharpens iron.
I appreciate your suggestion, but I think I will actually just contact my state representatives to have them pass laws that benefit the people who already live here. I wish you luck in your mission to convince middle America to fund the Olympic development of East Africa, but I feel that it is a doomed one.
Your kid is clearly average enough that this bill wouldn’t change anything for him 🤷🏽♂️
Nevertheless, I’d rather the competition from other countries. Iron sharpens iron.
I’d rather see more American athletes be given the opportunity to explore what they can achieve in the sport. There is sufficient competition within this country. We don’t need teams full of foreigners dominating the competition.
I appreciate your suggestion, but I think I will actually just contact my state representatives to have them pass laws that benefit the people who already live here. I wish you luck in your mission to convince middle America to fund the Olympic development of East Africa, but I feel that it is a doomed one.
Your kid is clearly average enough that this bill wouldn’t change anything for him 🤷🏽♂️
Nevertheless, I’d rather the competition from other countries. Iron sharpens iron.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
The reality is when a Kenyan comes to the U.S. on an athletic scholarship, they are almost always paying 0% out of pocket. The money for their tuition, books, lodging, and food has to come from somewhere, it is not conjured out of thin air, nor is it coming from the Kenyan government. We can argue all day about who exactly pays this bill and of what percentage, but ultimately it is the U.S. taxpayer, whether through ticket sales, tuition payments, taxes, or any of the other 1000 things that contribute to the University's large pot of fungible currency. The fact that some American students might also have their tuition covered in a similar way is irrelevant, as again, they are citizens. I simply do want to fund foreigners at the expense of Americans, and you do. We must agree to disagree.
Yes, public funding for colleges has dropped. Yes, Kenyans attending and running for a US school are not paying anything to do it and that's likely true for foregin athletes in other university sports. But nothing in that link has anything to do with money spent on athletic scholarships. If the University of Alabama gives full scholarships for two or three Kenyans to run on their cross country and track teams the Kenyans aren't paying to be there and the Alabama taxpayers aren't paying for them to be there. The athletic department is paying for them to be there and it's mostly from money brought in by the football and basketball teams. The Kenyans aren't costing the department any more money than kids from Kentucky would. Get rid of the Kenyans or the Kentuckians and the tuition and room and board for U of A students isn't going to go down.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
What if this 4:10/9:00 state champion got a scholarship somewhere else? Or is Iowa State the only option?
Your kid is clearly average enough that this bill wouldn’t change anything for him 🤷🏽♂️
Nevertheless, I’d rather the competition from other countries. Iron sharpens iron.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
Middle class tax payers should have no say in how a university runs itself. If they want to petition their state rep to reduce funding then ok but they should never be able to set academic or athletic standards for institutions of higher learning. Academic freedom is paramount to our University Sysytem becoming the best in the world. That same freedom is applied in the same way in athletics. No one anywhere is the world should be given preferential treatment. Coaches are hired to run programs. They should be the sole deciders of who they allow on their teams. Most are under intense pressure to win now. They cannot afford to spend money on a kid that is a 2-3 year project under these new rules. If you are not a P4 talent coming out of high school and you need to be developed then you are not D1. You are an also ran who is ignored and probably gets hurt or quits. If you wnt to develop then D1 was never the best option. Going D2, D3, NAIA, or even JUCO does not mean that you have failed in life. Ironically most US kids would develop better in those situations with coaches that have the flexibility and time to make you better. Bottom line is that most of the kids that are getting cut are kids that should not have attended D1 schools to begin with. No one is owed a spot. Run faster or choose a school that is a better fit atheletically.
Good. It's about time someone realized these leeches from abroad are taking away from homegrown kids whose parents actually paid taxes for decades prior.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
What if this 4:10/9:00 state champion got a scholarship somewhere else? Or is Iowa State the only option?
Most of the colleges that bring in foreigners are schools that have difficulty recruiting top 50 Americans.
Schools like Oklahoma St, Iowa St, Iona, Tulsa, Alabama, New Mexico, LSU, Texas Tech just are not going to win recruiting battles with Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Arkansas, Wake, Colorado, Virginia, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Georgetown, BYU, Duke, Villanova etc.
If Iowa St takes a group of 9:00/4:10 guys from the 2nd 50, they will have a team of nice developing guys, but they won't win conference or challenge at the national level.
The Syracuse, NAU, Portland, and OSU team with Colby Lowe and German show that sometimes a coach can make a difference and get top Americans to come to a 'lesser' school, but it's the exception rather than the rule.
International kids often don't know the pecking order of American colleges, so they are just happy to get a free ride and run anywhere. Sometimes now they transfer after they get here and learn the true lay of the land.
So if coach and AD are expected to compete for conference and NCAA titles, and the school cannot attract the best US athletes, even with money, their best hope is to turn to foreigners.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
Middle class tax payers should have no say in how a university runs itself.
Well they do, and thank God for that. Don't worry coach, if this is a nationwide law no one, including you, will be able to cheat with 28 year olds from scholar book premier so the playing field will be even. Maybe you can even learn how to do your job instead of ordering just-add-water athletes off the internet! I will even personally send you a copy of Jack Daniel's Running Formula to get you started.
Your kid is clearly average enough that this bill wouldn’t change anything for him 🤷🏽♂️
Nevertheless, I’d rather the competition from other countries. Iron sharpens iron.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
The explanation is simple. The coach believes the 28 year old from East Africa is more likely to get Iowa State to conference championships and nationals than their 4:10/9:00 son is. It's the same reason a middle class family in Iowa whose son is a really good punter for his high school football team but doesn't get a football scholarship because Iowa State gets a kid from Australia who played "Footy" and is an even better punter than their son is.
So what does this middle class couple from Iowa get in return for their tax money that goes to Iowa State? The same thing as every other Iowan who pays taxes get, lower tuition for their kids at Iowa State than they'd have to pay if they sent their kids to state universities in other states.
I wish high school kids well in general and if they've put effort into being as good at a sport as they can and can get money from a school good for them and for their parents. But this whole business of complaining that a US kid didn't get a scholarship for his sport because it went to a foreigner who is better at that sport seems a bit too entitled to me. Paying for college is a real challenge for many if not most families and if your kid isn't good enough at his/her sport to get money to do it in college you're in the same boat as nearly every other American family whose kid is reaching college age and you can deal with it like all those other families do. .
It really is companies like Scholarbook who have crossed the line into making foreign recruiting so obviously ridiculous that this might end up happening. People keep bringing up old foreign athletes from that past and they didn't incur this kind of scrutiny because they were there to be a STUDENT athlete. These stories of professional runners who have never used a computer before landing on campus crosses the line into the student part being unbelievable and the entire system comes into question. On top of that, the model of their recruiting means coaches have to sign up for a year of their service and so it's not cost effective just to get one foreign athlete, they get their money's worth and grab a few. I really don't know why the NCAA doesn't start with banning these kinds of recruiting services.
Well, again, I'm not the one you must convince. Please go explain to a middle class family in Iowa why their state champion son who runs 4:10/9:00 should not get a college scholarship from Iowa State, which is funded by their taxes, but it should instead go to some 28 year old from East Africa. I'm sure they will be quite swayed by your desire to have a few more no-name pacers in the 10,000m at the upcoming NCAAs and that this is well worth the cost of their son not attending college.
Maybe you can even condescendingly appeal to a strawman about how their desire to have their own tax money back is actually DEI. That should really sell it!
The explanation is simple. The coach believes the 28 year old from East Africa is more likely to get Iowa State to conference championships and nationals than their 4:10/9:00 son is. It's the same reason a middle class family in Iowa whose son is a really good punter for his high school football team but doesn't get a football scholarship because Iowa State gets a kid from Australia who played "Footy" and is an even better punter than their son is.
So what does this middle class couple from Iowa get in return for their tax money that goes to Iowa State? The same thing as every other Iowan who pays taxes get, lower tuition for their kids at Iowa State than they'd have to pay if they sent their kids to state universities in other states.
I wish high school kids well in general and if they've put effort into being as good at a sport as they can and can get money from a school good for them and for their parents. But this whole business of complaining that a US kid didn't get a scholarship for his sport because it went to a foreigner who is better at that sport seems a bit too entitled to me. Paying for college is a real challenge for many if not most families and if your kid isn't good enough at his/her sport to get money to do it in college you're in the same boat as nearly every other American family whose kid is reaching college age and you can deal with it like all those other families do. .
This issue is that this type of thing ever only goes in one direction. If Kenya or Australia wanted to say pay for our male soccer players (who are often left out the NCAA due to Title 9) to get degrees in their countries, in exchange for us hosting their athletes, maybe I would be more sympathetic.
But no, that never happens. The NCAA must be open for everyone of every age from every country on earth, but every other country else gets to have their own u20 league. Nope, sorry Uncle Sam's wallet is closed.
And yes, I do absolutely believe Americans are entitled the the scholarships at American Universities. That has become a dirty word, but it applies here. I would say the exact same thing about any other country with publicly funded universities. It doesn't mean every American is entitled to one, but our best high schoolers are over foreigners.
No they dont. They can demand that schools get less funding but they do not now nor will they ever get a say on how a school runs its self. Univeritites are not beholden to state and federal entities when it comes to operations. They just get funding to help with finances. How the athletic department runs is none of their business. I have been out of coaching for a while and I had a few international kids but developed plenty of our kids into All Americans, National champs and Oly qualifiers. Nothing Jack's book can tell me that I didnt already ask him personally. I know that my parents would have told me to get better if I got cut. No handouts. I really do not understand the entitlement and ego that fuels this. Do the work. If you lose you then you lose. The process is what build great people, not the results.
Teddy was a progressive. Yes, in the early 1900s, you could be a progressive & a Republican. But I wouldn't call him a conservative. In fact, all 3 of the major candidates in the 1912 Election (Taft - Republican, Wilson - Democrat, Roosevelt - Progressive) would be center left at most in today's views.
Yes, EPA, Clean Air, and Clean Water were Nixon.
Carter put the first solar panels on the White House and then everyone's bastion of 20th century conservativism Ronald Regan took them down.
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