Running Conspiracy theories - Share the wildest story you've heard here

Prefontaine isn't really under that rock.

He knew his career was over and didn't want to end up being a coach or color commentator. Faked the whole thing to rejoin the normal world.

That the mods are paid by USAID or other woke sources.

So this one doesn't hold up as well to statistical analysis. During only one of the last 7 years did this scenario (no one breaks 3:30 outside of Monaco) occur. We get loads of sub 3:30's all over the place these days; for example in '23 we had 11 sub 3:30 individuals in 5 different stadiums. Last year we had 5, in 2022 we had 4. In fact, they easily outpace the Monaco times; over the last ten years it's been all other tracks 24 and Monaco 17. (Here I'm only counting an individual 1x per year, otherwise this would look far worse for Monaco). But if we're only counting an individual's single best performance over the last decade then we're nearly even at 12-11 for all other tracks.

i think the way to prove if a track is short is to measure it. .. properly..

i suspect there is a lot of error out there.

i.e. if you precisely measure 3 times using a biased method. the result will appear very accurate, its just repeatable.

you need 2 independent ways to measure the distance. to get it right.

and also have the calibration done right. and verified.

a lot of people think they have calibrated, and the errors start from there.

you can get pretty good estimate with a calibrated bicycle, with small practice and moderate sized brain.

Well how about some of this statistical evidence then? Last time I made this case was a few years ago and all the data I provided was on a diff topic (how epo gave a 4% improvement) which by my exhausting work showed ~
: .5-1 sec 400

: 1-3 sec 800

: 3-9 sec 1500

: 10-15 sec 3000

: 20-30 sec 5k

: 45-60 sec 10k

: and 5-6 min marathon

when I was compiling this I noticed that rieta (spelling?) used to have one of the fastest 1500 times of the year, then Stockholm and a few others, but it was something like 09? When Monaco got “resurfaced” and boom that was the only place sun 3:30 happened. Look at nick willis, only place he hit sub was 3:30, Andrew wheating hit 3:30 there but everywhere else was like 3:33 or 3:34. Go ahead big stat guy take a look at everyone and check seasonal bests vs their Monaco time, and as rectal bummer argued and got me deleted and banned multiple times, you will see the outlier. And you check runners seasonal bests and punch in that good ol 4% improvement then check the iaaf profile on their progression you will see when then hit the sauce.

subway, casual and a few others used to fact check me and see the light, but rectal and covett had to cry and have me deleted and banned multiple times cause I crossed the line when I spotted British anomaly’s

wr in the 1500 is prob around 3:29 high, epo dropped it to 3:26 flat, super shoes and micro dosing on short bouncy tracks and we still can’t hit the wr….but rectall will argue epo is worse than a placebo, and coevett will claim Brit’s and whites are always clean yet those two hate each other

which brings me to my last theory,

rectal is Paula’s husband and coevett is the real ovett, the father of yury. White supremest and British lover but hates Paula cause, she and her husband are tied to his arch rival seb coe.

the most annoying thing is, is the brojos know this but let both of them post their sh*t to continue huge hits per post. Show who the actual posters are and I guarantee those two would stop. But no they are on the payroll cause they help generate clicks, doesn’t matter if it’s lies, racism, nepotism etc. they are mods and will delete and ban you if you push too close to the truth

The point of US doping control is to stop athletes getting caught rather than catching athletes as it’s not good for business

ive heard a wild story that some kenyan and ethiopian athletes do NOT take performances enhancing drugs. cant believe its true

Great thread.
I don’t want to get banned again so I will not mention any names. It is safe to say that there have not been a clean American win New York or Boston in 40 years.

Owners of this site adamantly believing a drug bust was due to eating a pork burrito.

BYU guys don't actually go on missions; they spend two years up in the mountains at a secret training camp.

I've talked to a few people who stand by 84 Atlanta's track being the fastest track ever made. Apparently they took a standard track and stretched it, so they would somehow stretch 90 meters of track material to 100 meters, and so on. Talked to a guy who said the track was so fast he could have sworn it was moving. Crazy stuff.

Basically anything having to do with Brooks Beasts. Theres been some weird crap going on in that camp. Pasted from another thread:

" I won't be able to provide too much detail on these, as most are from a few years+ ago and I'm just a regular message board browser like the rest of us, so I don't have any inside info but I'll go through them and add a little more:

- Capriotti (head of Nike T&F) and Danny got into a heated argument at 2015 (?) USAs. Will Leer, who was attending but injured got involved and sided with Danny, which then led him to being effectively forced out of his Nike contract the next year and he showed up to the 2016 trials a complete shell of himself and went out in the first round. There's an interview on Youtube where Leer talks about the stress of the contract situation and how it ruined his season. He doesn't mention the Cap vs Danny thing but the timing seems like that started the contract issues for Leer. I don't remember if it ever came out what Cap and Danny were arguing about but the main point is it got heated and others had to intervene.

- Danny's cryptic instagram post is actually a sad one. This was more recent but still a year or two ago and he posted something about "seeing the devil" and described this very ominous sounding situation that stirred up a lot of speculation on the boards. It eventually came out that his partner, who he had just had a baby with, had taken her own life and he came into the house to find her. Obviously a horrible situation and one that made the ominous and cryptic nature of the post make sense after. It was still a little odd to make that post on his public instagram when it was an intensely personal tragedy but given the situation I think it's fair to say he wasn't acting or thinking normally and maybe felt there was some explanation needed without getting into the horrible nature of what actually happened.

- For Allie O, she was asked by Brooks to take time away from the Beasts to get help for her eating disorder. I have always heard this phrased as Brooks asked her to get help, rather than Danny but I'm not sure how he was involved in that decision making. This one has a happier ending as Allie took that time away to get the help she needed and has been a lot healthier since, even making a great return this year at the trials.

- Spencer Brown, the Athlete Special on Youtube, was a runner for Georgetown who graduated in 2020 with PRs of 3:59/3:39 and a 1:49 800 but never got his 5th year track season. He was offered a one year contract with the Beasts to train with them and make videos about it to see if he could cut it as a professional. As someone following him at the time, it was really cool when he announced it. Unfortunately, it pretty much went wrong right away, as he got covid shortly after joining up with the team and throughout his time he never really was at the level of the rest of the Beasts. Apparently this didn't sit well with David Ribich and Josh Kerr, who made some comments on their Sit & Kick podcast. I called it "beef" but I think it was more just their frustration that this "youtuber guy" was getting an opportunity they didn't feel he deserved on running merit.

- The last one was just that Nick Symmonds was on the team from 2014-2017. He wasn't making silly Youtube videos at the time but it was a big deal because he signed the season after getting Silver at world champs and he'd been running great on the circuit all 2013. But, he was 29 when he signed and he definitely showed that he was an aging runner with Brooks as he got injured after 2014 world indoors and didn't run the outdoor season after. Then he rallied in 2015 to win USAs after a string of terrible races leading up, but then he made a big stink about USATF and them letting him wear Brooks gear, so he didn't go to worlds. A young sophomore from Akron took his place named Clayton Murphy. Then in 2016 Nick had some ankle problem that kept him out of the trials completely. He came back for 2017 USAs because he was able to qualify by being the defending champion from 2015 but he got knocked out in the first round and ran like 1:51. He made a big show of his retirement and then transitioned into Youtubing along the way.

Phew! I think that's everything about the Beasts/Danny that I can think of. Sorry to take this intermission from talking about Houser but hopefully people find these items interesting and it gives some context to what I said earlier."

Also, Luke Houser. Still no answer about what happened with him.

From Gault:

"FYI, I reached out to Brooks, who provided the following statement:

Luke Houser was released due to a code of conduct violation with the team and will no longer be a member of the Brooks Beasts nor a Brooks-sponsored athlete.

I followed up with Houser's agent Ray Flynn, who didn't have much to say on the matter. He did not discuss what the code of conduct violations were and said Luke was trying to figure out his plans moving forward.

Will update if I find out anything more."

Oh, also, not EXACTLY a conspiracy but it's an unproven thing that is the subject of an insane amount of debate on this website:

El G's 800 PR. He supposedly ran 1:42.6 in training. Some people stand by it because he was a 3:26.0 runner, but most people don't because it was never official. Either way, theres been so much debate about this here.

Oregon + likely most top d1 programs dope their best athletes. An athlete is given a couple of years to prove themselves and show that they are worth it, once they are good enough to qualify for nationals without PEDs, the program then dopes the top runners. I only know this is true for Hocker and Teare, but likely all of the top guys from Thomas's years. I wouldn't be surprised if this system was intact under Jerry.

Jakob did swing a little wide to push Josh out but that was normal tactics because he was more afraid of John Kerr than he was of Cole Hocker. It just didn't work because they both beat him.

Here are a few concerning the Ducks.

1. OTC used to exist as a way to pay off former ducks student loan debt allowing UO to sign more top tier talent. Everyone’s signing bonus was a way to pay them back.

2. There was only one good Mercado twin in college, Diego or Danny would run using the others name to keep both on scholarship (depending on who needed the performance to stay in the good graces)

3. The Chez saga. Nike refused to sign Chez out of college even though he won them all of those championships. His senior year he got tired of putting it all on the line and started faking injuries to take back some power. Nike who placed him at the high school in New Jersey (produces a lot of Nike basketball prospects) was pissed and they knew he was actually 26 at the end of college.

A great example of how conspiracy theories suck you in. Though I did question why you found it so hard to time when there are several videos:

He clearly ran 3:26:00 on this. I'm not going down the whole 1200m 'official' split route, this is just from start to finish. Unless the conspiracy now extends to amending the video footage.

Don't know if this was ever confirmed or not as I never hear people talk about it, but the timing equipment wasn't calibrated correctly at the Eugene 2022 World Championships and caused an unprecedented amount of false starts. This caused Devon Allen to be DQ'd from the 110m hurdles final when he was in the shape of his life and could've broken the WR.