No one in there right mind would agree that running a race with 1) an agreed upon pace 2) a rabbit, 3) wave lights and 4) without all the top guys requires more strategy than a championship final where every single aspect of the race is uncertain.
If you truly believe that, your thought process should be questioned. Simple.
Pacing yourself, deciding whether to go behind the rabbit, trusting your fitness, making sure not to trip, knowing when to slow down or to keep it going, knowing when to finally kick, constantly observing who has been dropped and who hasn’t, these are all things that go down in a paced race for Jakob. The others have it way easier than Jakob in either race because they know that it will be stringed in single file. Calling Jakob a “time-trial merchant” is hilarious and shows that you know nothing about this sport. Goodbye moron.
Now, you’re getting your responses confused. C’mon. I’ve never used the words time trial merchant in my life. So who are you quoting?
Again, deciding whether or not to stick with that rabbit or stick with the pace lights still pales in comparison to navigating a championship race.
You can just admit you were wrong. You’ll still be anonymous. You don’t have to present yourself to the world with shame written on your forehead because you made a bad take in a fit of emotion. It happens.
This thread is filled with idiots. As a certified Jakob hater he’s genuinely on another level still.
I think undoubtedly if Jakobs in that 3k yesterday he runs 2+ seconds faster than the 7:22. And I didn’t see anything about that mile that makes me think he wouldn’t have won considering Yared and Hobbs were too gased to really kick much which is exactly the type of race Jakob holds.
To be fair, the Kenyans have been a non-factor since 2021. I mean they literally went 1-2 in Paris last year, but that's in reverse order, unfortunately. But you're right that the Brits and the Americans are killing his chance.
Yes but you can never count them out totally. Maybe they’re not a big threat this year but they could be in 2028. They always seem to have new talent coming out of their factory.
This thread is filled with idiots. As a certified Jakob hater he’s genuinely on another level still.
I think undoubtedly if Jakobs in that 3k yesterday he runs 2+ seconds faster than the 7:22. And I didn’t see anything about that mile that makes me think he wouldn’t have won considering Yared and Hobbs were too gased to really kick much which is exactly the type of race Jakob holds.
Jakob is the best with a pacer hands down. We have reason to believe considering 4 straight years of the world leader and presumptive favorite losing in the championship final that that is not enough if that athlete is going to lead from far out. Meanwhile Kerr, Nuguse and Hocker narrowed the PB disparity over the last 2 seasons substantially. Nobody should count Jakob out, but it is no longer a fluke that the guy who leads out a 1500 is vulnerable to getting beat the last 200. He might change it up and he might do more of a negative split squeeze. We do have data points though that Kerr handled more if a squeeze in 2023 quite well and the same for Hocker in 2024 at the US Olympic Trials. These guys have also gotten very adept at slotting behind Jakob and navigating the field.
No, he's still one of the best in the world at 1500. He's not the best anymore. He hasn't won a championship since the 2021 Olympics and his championship results are getting worse. At one time, Jakob was the only one doing double threshold training. Now, everyone does it and the gap has narrowed considerably. Now that they've caught up to him in strength, it's a real problem for him that he doesn't have the last gear that pretty much all his main competitors do. He's still the best at consistently running fast in paced races. This, of course, doesn't help him in championship races.
This thread is filled with idiots. As a certified Jakob hater he’s genuinely on another level still.
I think undoubtedly if Jakobs in that 3k yesterday he runs 2+ seconds faster than the 7:22. And I didn’t see anything about that mile that makes me think he wouldn’t have won considering Yared and Hobbs were too gased to really kick much which is exactly the type of race Jakob holds.
Jakob is the best with a pacer hands down. We have reason to believe considering 4 straight years of the world leader and presumptive favorite losing in the championship final that that is not enough if that athlete is going to lead from far out. Meanwhile Kerr, Nuguse and Hocker narrowed the PB disparity over the last 2 seasons substantially. Nobody should count Jakob out, but it is no longer a fluke that the guy who leads out a 1500 is vulnerable to getting beat the last 200. He might change it up and he might do more of a negative split squeeze. We do have data points though that Kerr handled more if a squeeze in 2023 quite well and the same for Hocker in 2024 at the US Olympic Trials. These guys have also gotten very adept at slotting behind Jakob and navigating the field.
You are our resident expert. Is there a paced performance by Jakob this year that would lead you to conclude he is again the prohibitive favorite in a global 1500 even if he takes the lead with 1200 m to go? If he runs 3:25 low or 12:29?
You are our resident expert. Is there a paced performance by Jakob this year that would lead you to conclude he is again the prohibitive favorite in a global 1500 even if he takes the lead with 1200 m to go? If he runs 3:25 low or 12:29?
Thanks but I’m just a normal track fan (ok more obsessed). 3:25-low would change the calculus yes. 3:26-low? Not for me. Hocker is dead serious about getting there.
Have you even watched the heats in the last global champs?
Show me a heat where he was close to not qualify?
He hasn’t and fair point. No wonder I’m getting so many downvotes. lol.
I was responding to a post, which was probably sarcastic, but I actually took the possibility of him not making a final seriously, because even though it hasn’t happened before, my take was that it could hypothetically happen because guys keep improving and that could make it more neck and neck in the heats. That’s all I was saying. I wasn’t saying that Jakob will never make another global final, that of course would be unlikely.
You - and many others - are talking about all the guys who will improve and close the gap.
Have it occured to you that Jakob also may improve as he has done annually for more than 15 years?
You are our resident expert. Is there a paced performance by Jakob this year that would lead you to conclude he is again the prohibitive favorite in a global 1500 even if he takes the lead with 1200 m to go? If he runs 3:25 low or 12:29?
Thanks but I’m just a normal track fan (ok more obsessed). 3:25-low would change the calculus yes. 3:26-low? Not for me. Hocker is dead serious about getting there.
Ok, thanks. I think that 3:25 is coming this year. He ran 3:26 and 7:17 off an injury last year. If Jakob can say what Hocker said this past week, that things have been going great, and if this continues, then I think he’s 1.5 seconds clear of these guys….and he can do it.
When was the last time the Kenyans had a medalist apart from Timothy?!
If the 2020 Olympics actually happened in 2020 instead of the faux 2021 Olympics, then TimC would've been Olympic Gold medalist and Ingy probably wouldn't have a 1500 Gold
You are not replying to my post!?
Read the post I was replying to and understand what my point was.
Yes, it’s over for Jakob in the 1500. Between the Americans, the Brits, the Kenyans, Laros, and Myers, it’s going to be very difficult for Jakob to ever win another global 1500 title.
Is he running world indoor champs?
Jakob has not decided yet. He stated in an interview some time ago that he might consider it. Since then a trial date has been set. If he competes in China he does not have much time to make it back to the trial.
Jakob’s “problem” in the 1500 is that guys who have better turnover than him are closing the strength gap he had on the field. It exactly what we saw in Paris. If he can’t run the kick out of everyone through 1200 in these championship 1500’s he will lose. We’ve seen it time and time again and for people to act like it’s not a thing is absurd.
He has his gold in the 1500. He has 2 WC gold in the 5000 and an Olympic gold in the 5000. It’s probably close to time for him to move to 5000-10000. Records are nice but hardware is better. Run under 3:26 and 3:43 this year and then spend 2026 moving up to 5000-10000. Win world XC next January and do some of the bigger HM’s and leave the 1500 to the younger guys.
You're forgetting Jakob was trained like a professional runner from a very young age by his father. His main competitors all went through the U.S. collegiate system and were several years behind him development-wise. They have more room to improve as Jakob had a head start on them. Jakob can still improve, but his competitors have and probably will improve more than him.
He doesn’t seem to have much of an edge on anyone anymore. He may continue to win on the circuit because he places a lot value on number of wins and he recovers from fast races better than anyone. But at the major championships, where everyone else is zoned in and peaked, I don’t think he can win again. Too many guys at his level with a little bit more raw speed. To win he would have to actually accomplish what he tried but failed to do in Paris, and that’s basically set a WR without a rabbit. I don’t see that ever happening.
Counterpoint: the field is getting so deep, if he needs a sub 3:27.5 race to win, he may no longer have to do it himself.
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