School isn't for everyone. You don't know what Addy's grades are like, and sending her to a place like Stanford/UVA/UW/etc. is in fact not good parenting if that's not the academic level at which she operates.
What’s this good parenting stuff? Probably 90% of HS kids decide on their own on their own they go to college. Was the average LRer “sent” to a college?
You guys make it seem like Addy is the first athlete ever to choose a college.
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arguing about Stanford, a place she isn't attending, and whether or not she has good grades when her GPA is literally public. Trying to make it seem like her dad is pulling all the strings because of course a sixteen year old girl is incapable of making a decision for herself.
I can understand a 5 page thread if Addy committed to some place unusual, like a D3 program or one that wasn't built out yet. But a Boulder kid choosing NAU is very on brand. It's a mountain school, that probably has some familiarity but that is still far enough away from home. They have a great running program and team. No one threw down a 10 page thread about academics when Nico Young or the Sahlmans committed there. No one wondered about their parents pulling strings, or why Nico wasn't going to Stanford.
Explain to me how taking a Calculus I class at NAU is different than taking a Calculus I class at Colorado? People just waste money on the name of the school on the diploma but there is no difference at all in education. The student gets out of it what he/she puts into it.
The peer effects at better schools are enormous. As with any group, why you're surrounded by higher caliber performers, you become a higher caliber performer with a higher performing network.
I realize life is not fair and many kids with 1600 SAT and 4.0 / 4.8 gpa with 12 AP courses and a national champ science project don't get into Stanford.
This thread though is about athletes.
4 min milers, fast swimmers, champion golfers, and strong armed quarterbacks get into Stanford with 1280 SAT, 3.3 / 3.6 and no AP courses. Not fair, but that is the system in place.
Colleges look at both GPA and test scores. In recent test optional period, GPA was enough. With required testing, 4.0 / 4.33 gpa is a pretty good indicator that a kid can make 1300 on SAT with proper preparation.
2.5 / 2.5 gpa indicates no matter how fast they are, Stanford not in their short term future.
So just looking at gpa does give you a very good idea what kind of student someone is.
Let me help out here with fresh information from the recruiting trail at Stanford. They are looking for academic rigor. They want to see 4-5 AP's per semester. Yes, they do care about your GPA, and yes, they do care if you are sub-8:50 or sub-10:10 and a national qualifier in XC, but their message was we want to see 4 more AP's your senior semester. That was the message, loud and clear. It's up to the kid if they want that workload or not and that is how Stanford determines offering an XC spot and potential scholarship.
This is true to a certain point. But...the athletes who are ***remotely*** close to those scores beat out the smarter student every time. I have at 3 friends from high school who did everything you listed and more. 4 years ago none got an interview, not one. To say they were wicked smart is an understatement. Stanford gave them zilch of a chance. One ended up at Michigan, one at Duke and one at William & Mary. That cannot be explained by anything other than what you said, life isn't fair. Alll will end up fine but all 3 were smart enough for Stanford
Who cares? Irrelevant if you’re planning on having a running career (if she’s not another Mary Cain) . Waste of a brain
Not sure what you mean. Mary Cain had success as a pro runner, making the final of the Moscow world championship at 1500m.
Nike also paid for Mary's undergrad at Portland and Fordham.
Now post running career, she's in med school...at Stanford.
Addie would be happy with those outcomes
Cain went backwards after high school in track. Don’t you remember the whole blame game on AlSal? So a pro career may or may not be the future. Too soon to tell for Addy. And sorry but it seems like everyone is saying she will remain in the running “industry”. Doubt she’ll be going to med school which even slightly above average science majors have no problem managing.
Let me help out here with fresh information from the recruiting trail at Stanford. They are looking for academic rigor. They want to see 4-5 AP's per semester. Yes, they do care about your GPA, and yes, they do care if you are sub-8:50 or sub-10:10 and a national qualifier in XC, but their message was we want to see 4 more AP's your senior semester. That was the message, loud and clear. It's up to the kid if they want that workload or not and that is how Stanford determines offering an XC spot and potential scholarship.
This is true to a certain point. But...the athletes who are ***remotely*** close to those scores beat out the smarter student every time. I have at 3 friends from high school who did everything you listed and more. 4 years ago none got an interview, not one. To say they were wicked smart is an understatement. Stanford gave them zilch of a chance. One ended up at Michigan, one at Duke and one at William & Mary. That cannot be explained by anything other than what you said, life isn't fair. Alll will end up fine but all 3 were smart enough for Stanford
Agree with this 100% Katie Couric's daughter got in---I wonder how;)? Rob Lowe's son got in, etc.... If not for their parents, they were NOT getting into Stanford.
Rob Lowe bragged about him repeatedly, but, his son later admitted how many times he had to take the SAT or ACT to get in----4 times I believe--- and that he had the advantage of tutors that his Dad paid for.
Felicity Huffman is probably the most well-known, but I don't recall if she went to Stanford or not.
Not sure what you mean. Mary Cain had success as a pro runner, making the final of the Moscow world championship at 1500m.
Nike also paid for Mary's undergrad at Portland and Fordham.
Now post running career, she's in med school...at Stanford.
Addie would be happy with those outcomes
Cain went backwards after high school in track. Don’t you remember the whole blame game on AlSal? So a pro career may or may not be the future. Too soon to tell for Addy. And sorry but it seems like everyone is saying she will remain in the running “industry”. Doubt she’ll be going to med school which even slightly above average science majors have no problem managing.
I am very familiar with Cain and AlSal. Cain did not go backward after high school, she went backward after 2 good pro seasons.
How do we judge success as a pro? Making teams, making finals, winning medals, setting records. Cain, as a pro, had a brief period of success. Gold in World U20 3000, 2 USATF championships, Final at World 1500 Moscow, numerous high school and U20 records, many still standing.
2 of my favorite former Buff pros, for example Sage Hurta and Dani Jones, have not made any US teams, or set any records, despite a few years in the pros now. Objectively, so far they have not yet had better pro careers than Cain.
Cain held up often as example of failure, but she had much success too.
She was also smart enough to have Nike pay for her schooling, as an insurance policy against injury, or poor running.
No one said med school is more difficult than nuclear physics, but admittance to Stanford med school is still pretty impressive, and could lead to a career in medical research.
Addie Ritz, whether she makes it as a pro runner or not; whether she stays in a running career or not, she can still complete a degree at NAU, later go on to grad school and make a nice career.
Attending a science/Engineering undergrad school is not the only way to make something of yourself.
Nobody outside of her family and coach and teammates (present and future) should care much about her college choice. Lotsa people are here to poke their nose where it doesn't belong, like a bunch of hens, and speculate wildly to feel important when they're not.
I agree. It's really no ones business where she goes. As fans of the sport we can follow these kids running journeys but does it really matter where they go to college? NAU, NC State, Stanford... who cares.
Nobody outside of her family and coach and teammates (present and future) should care much about her college choice. Lotsa people are here to poke their nose where it doesn't belong, like a bunch of hens, and speculate wildly to feel important when they're not.
Except she posted it on her social media for all to see? I think some of these posts are annoying, but come on. It's public info.
Nobody outside of her family and coach and teammates (present and future) should care much about her college choice. Lotsa people are here to poke their nose where it doesn't belong, like a bunch of hens, and speculate wildly to feel important when they're not.
Except she posted it on her social media for all to see? I think some of these posts are annoying, but come on. It's public info.
You have my pity. I cannot fathom an adult unrelated and unknown to her following a teen on SM. Hell, if I were to see any post from adult I don't know with some personal news, I'd think "oh, how nice" or "that's a shame" and move along with life and not rush to Reddit or some chat board to parse it out and form self-important opinions about it.
Of course he’s 100% involved. And will continue to be. That’s why I don’t see her getting too far into a running “career” before burn out sets in and she’s mentally done
arguing about Stanford, a place she isn't attending, and whether or not she has good grades when her GPA is literally public. Trying to make it seem like her dad is pulling all the strings because of course a sixteen year old girl is incapable of making a decision for herself.
I can understand a 5 page thread if Addy committed to some place unusual, like a D3 program or one that wasn't built out yet. But a Boulder kid choosing NAU is very on brand. It's a mountain school, that probably has some familiarity but that is still far enough away from home. They have a great running program and team. No one threw down a 10 page thread about academics when Nico Young or the Sahlmans committed there. No one wondered about their parents pulling strings, or why Nico wasn't going to Stanford.
the difference is the WOMENS NAU is not even top-tier. They are (at best) above average. I think people here, like yourself, see the NAU name and get dazzled by the men's success. Additionally, Addy is quite a track athlete. NAU is barely a track school.
It's not unhinged to wonder why one of the best athletes in HS right now when to sub standard school.