If you are an adult making minimum wage you need to learn some skills. You want more money, learn something that would benefit society. Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers to learn proper work etiquette, not for people who offer nothing of value.
If you are an adult making minimum wage you need to learn some skills. You want more money, learn something that would benefit society. Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers to learn proper work etiquette, not for people who offer nothing of value.
no you facist, everyone who works deserves a high salary and comfortable life NO MATTER WHAT.
My wife would go to Starbucks if they charged $20 a cup. You don't understand the hold that Starbucks has on people.
I am deeply sorry.
Ahh cry me a river! My daughter gets an "iced" drink. It's still 9$ but the cup is literally 80% ice cubes. Im thinking there's 4 oz tops of sugary kool aid.
For God's sakes. $20 per hour full time is $40k per year. You can't live on that. These workers are the reason the owner Schultz is worth over $4 billion. I think he can pay his workers a living wage. $40 per hour minimum
If you can’t live on 40k a year, you are bad with money.
Are you living in 1995?
In Mass:
The median price of a house is over $500k.
Avg rent for a one bedroom is > $20k per year.
The cheapest new cars are over $20k/year.
The average cost of health insurance for a family of four in 2023 was approximately $23,968 per year.
You have to pay fed and state income taxes on your $40k plus Soc Sec and Medicare.
If you are an adult making minimum wage you need to learn some skills. You want more money, learn something that would benefit society. Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers to learn proper work etiquette, not for people who offer nothing of value.
Then I guess they aren't minimum wage jobs if they are open during school hours, are they?
I can get the senior coffee at McD for 89 cents with unchallenged refill.
Also, because I am smartly dressed, I can loiter there for an hour or more.
One nice thing about Starbucks (at least in the PNW) is that most locations are very nice. All of my kids will meet their friends there, do homework, drink hot chocolate, and spend an hour talking. It is a good place for them to hang out. Leather chairs, wood tables, nice lighting.
Nobody in my family has ever "loitered for an hour in a McDonald's" nor would I encourage that. I'd rather have them pay $4.95 for a hot chocolate or mocha at Starbucks while doing their homework than sit in the dirty carnival lights of a McDonald's.
p.s. If I need to meet up with the people I mentor outside of work, I am not going to meet them at a McDonald's either. So for adults it provides a good place to have an informal talk.
Also, plenty of new cars start at less than $25K sticker price. That's not $20K/year in payments. Are you lying or are you stupid?
Typo.
Meant $20k, not $20k per year.
I would hope anyone of avg intelligence would have figured that out.
So I ask you. Are you lying or are you stupid?
That's dishonest or you are living in 1985 (or "stupid"). These "teenager" jobs need way more than just teens anymore. If you want people changing your bed sheets on vacation, working at your Wal mart or Mcdonalds, or picking your veggies or slaughtering your food you better get with the 2000s and realize you need adults and foreign workers to work these jobs too. All you good ol days people are stuck in the past. We need workers for these jobs, so pay them something adjusted for the current economy or you are going to have more and more fast food places etc..shutting down for lack of employees. You can't have your cake and eat it to. Min wage is insanely behind the increased cost of living.
They already did this years ago. The machines they use are already super automatic. The folks standing at them barely have control over what they do. Explains why the product is trash.
Whining about this is like the folks with automatic transmissions, parking sensors, lane-keeping assistance, turn-by-turn gps maps etc, complaining about self-driving cars. Theyve already relegated themselves to mere assistants for the tech.
The real question is why anyone lines up to fork over so much money to a diabolical company for a crumby product.
So you got a free ride on the tax payer dime by exploiting the military welfare complex and you're trying to paint story about how you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps?
And the Gen Zer outs him/her/their self, lol. The same generation that would be incapable of handling the military or building a highway or doing anything remotely difficult. The same Gen Zer who likely went $100,000 into debt studying psychology but expects the government to forgive all of it.
There’s nothing easy about the military life. This guy simply pointed out an example of how he gave up eight years of his life (for a service that should probably be mandatory of all young Americans imo) and had to start over with a massive pay cut in the civilian sector, all the while he and his wife sucked it up, obtained more meaningful education, worked hard (while not just being able to leave a pouring coffee job at work), and is now, finally, in a better situation in life.
It amazes me the degree to which young, liberal people expect everything for free without conditions and want to denigrate the very fruits of capitalism that eventually allow them the lives they want for themselves if only they’re willing to put the time and sweat equity in. I remember when my wife and I were starting out, she a newly minted lawyer who graduated very top of her class but took a “Starbucks wage” to start and me still in school. We wanted to buy a small townhome, but we couldn’t qualify for a loan, you know, like many young people today. So, we grinded, had probably $400,000 in loans in today’s dollars between the two of us, but we never asked for a handout, we grinded and we “overcame” all of life’s obstacles without the narcissistic preoccupation of today’s youth of all things being oppressive. We never made ourselves out to be victims. We never expected anyone to forgive our loans.
Heck, I’ve created jobs. With all of its attendant bureaucratic constipation and having to cope with the likes of ingrates such as yourself. Have you risked your own capital to do something meaningful??? Have you ever started a business or created a job??? Of course not, and you have absolutely no idea just how hard that is today with all of the onerous regulation.
Most importantly, we raised our kids the same way. Faith, family, work hard, get educated, no excuses. Work during school and/or do so well that you get a significant merit scholarship, which they did. This is what society is lacking. This is the corrosion of America, the lack of committed families, a sense of a higher purpose, not having an envious entitled attitude, and grabbing life by the balls.
Workers have more rights than they’ve ever had in American society ever before. People are richer on a relative scale than at anytime in history. If you don’t like it or it’s too hard for you, then you can move to Africa or Haiti. Or Sweden! You can go drink your silly little $8 cups of coffee and read your NYT over there in the dark, cold rain and commiserate with your fellow pseudo-socialists, just like Seattle. Without the homelessness, drug-infested streets of a Seattle of course but with far more migrant lack of assimilation problems. Just stay away from the Christmas markets.
Imagine, a company will give you an entry level job with your purple hair, multiple nose rings, and tatted out arms and necks at $20s/hour schlepping drinks, robust health insurance, funds for school, and a career path that can lead to regional manager or franchisee for the 3% of employees who really want to go that route. But it’s not enough. They should be making six figures, entry level. GTFO. This is why I don’t drink Starbucks. No way am I going to subsidize you entitled, clueless fools who have yet to pay any meaningful taxes or risk your own capital investing in a business or in others.
Spot on.
I have never drank coffee because it tastes awful.
That being said, coffee growing is harmful to the environment and all the additional steps it takes to get that final cup to you. Which goes against the $18/hr person serving you that coffee who is a vegan, environmentalists, bicycling, Mid 1700's Women's Literature Masters degree thrift shop pot head.
If you are an adult making minimum wage you need to learn some skills. You want more money, learn something that would benefit society. Minimum wage jobs are for teenagers to learn proper work etiquette, not for people who offer nothing of value.
I agree with you, but somehow this became a debate about what a livable wage is and anyone who’s not merely an entry level employee is part of the oligarchical class… or something.
And I would agree that $20 per hour is generally not a livable wage in a lot of areas (we’re not talking about WV here). But very few people work at Starbucks and are the breadwinners for their families. It’s generally an entry level job or a second income for families, a weigh station as it were. There are some outliers.
Heck, I even know a guy who works at Starbucks, even as his wife makes much better “corporate” money, just for the insurance. But people who want to be more than baristas and stay at Starbucks for a career are generally going to move into management positions. Or they can move on to a place like Costco that pays really good wages with unbelievable benefits for the uneducated. I have a nephew working there, who, along with his wife, also a Costco employee, just bought a house in a fairly HCOL area.
Or there’s trade school. An electrician, self employed, maybe 30 years old, just charged me almost $200 for 45 minutes of work, and that’s after I bought the parts myself. The most incredible magic trick ever pulled was a Starbucks brand ever convincing people that they needed to pay $5+ for over roasted coffee in the first place way back when for the “experience.”
I admit, it was novel at one point. But not anymore. A Newname won’t frequent the place because he won’t cross the picket line because of oligarchs, and I won’t frequent the place because the product isn’t great and the employees are all microaggressed, aggrieved, and entitled who will find themselves out of a job in some locations if they persist with “the movement.”
So who’s actually going to Starbucks besides teenage girls? But clearly there is demand for a completely discretionary product (quite unlike a non-discretionary Costco). Boggles the mind. Hopefully if enough of us oligarchs and non-oligarchs alike boycott the place, ownership will get the message, as will the newly unemployed employees. It wouldn’t be the worse thing. It would mean fewer people getting their daily dose of pesticides and glyphosate.
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