You left out that which enhances performance more than anything else you listed, that is known to be throughout the top of the sport.
Global golds doesn't enhance performance, neither do "WR shape", did you not understand what I said, are you just clutching for straws or is this your way of saying that you in fact think that he probably is in better shape?
You've left out the possibility he does what Chebet (as well as other world record holders) is now being accused of.
You confidently say he is better but he has yet to demonstrate it over that distance in 3 years, but has had no problem in improving over shorter distances in the same period, even while running few races over some of those distances. So the argument has to be all he requires is a "time trial". Sure.
Why do you invent things I say rather than answer to what I actually say? I say that it is assumed that someone who have trained for four years and got a lot better at every distance (they compete at) will also be better at the 5000, especially considering they were a teenager the first time around. Do you suggest that he probably haven't become better in the 5000? Do you suggest that he could have won 2x wc and olympic gold in the 5000 with the same shape he was in at 19? That would be remarkable.
What is assumed is that his improvements at shorter distances mean he will improve similarly at longer distances. Since he isnt a true distance runner but is a md runner it doesn't follow. It is also being forecast here that he will run faster indoors over the 5k than he has ever done outdoors. If that isn't a confident prediction based on a speculative belief at how much he has improved in 3 years I don't know what is. But then he could take the same approach as the recent African record breakers, which is probably the norm now.
There are threads about Chebet's latest world mark in which posters suggest that like most world records today it is a doped performance. Yet in a thread positing that Ingebrigtsen will beat a world record it cannot be suggested this will be just as likely doped as Chebet's feat. Yet if she is doping why should it be assumed he isn't?
Interesting logic. Ingebrigtsen is a doper because of the eventuality that he breaks a record. But at the same time, there is no chance that he breaks that record and he isn't any better in the 5000 than he was when he was 19. Is it enjoyable to ride two horses? Do you ever argue with yourself in the mirror?
Armstr1: Ingebrigtsen is a doper, dummy! Beating the 5000m record! OBVIOUSLY DOPING
Armstr2: First and foremost, why are you comparing two different athletes, over two different distances, and two different records with different significance? Secondly, there is NO WAY he is beating that record. He has not progressed since he ran 12:48!
Armstr1: You are a dummy, he is breaking the 5000m record and obviously doping!
Armstr2: He haven't progressed in the 5000m over 4 years! No progress! EPO? More like Expired Past Olympics.
You've over-complicated it in order to throw up a smokescreen. Any world record now is likely doped. The discussion about Chebet simply reinforces that. Ingebrigtsen is nowhere near the outdoor record but you guys think he will now take the indoor record from the great Bekele. Sure. Nothing to see there.
Interesting logic. Ingebrigtsen is a doper because of the eventuality that he breaks a record. But at the same time, there is no chance that he breaks that record and he isn't any better in the 5000 than he was when he was 19. Is it enjoyable to ride two horses? Do you ever argue with yourself in the mirror?
Armstr1: Ingebrigtsen is a doper, dummy! Beating the 5000m record! OBVIOUSLY DOPING
Armstr2: First and foremost, why are you comparing two different athletes, over two different distances, and two different records with different significance? Secondly, there is NO WAY he is beating that record. He has not progressed since he ran 12:48!
Armstr1: You are a dummy, he is breaking the 5000m record and obviously doping!
Armstr2: He haven't progressed in the 5000m over 4 years! No progress! EPO? More like Expired Past Olympics.
You've over-complicated it in order to throw up a smokescreen. Any world record now is likely doped. The discussion about Chebet simply reinforces that. Ingebrigtsen is nowhere near the outdoor record but you guys think he will now take the indoor record from the great Bekele. Sure. Nothing to see there.
There is no difference between indoors and outdoors anymore. Woody Kincaid ran 12:51i and he is nowhere near Bekele.
The whining about Jakob’s progression is pointless. His PB is already faster than the indoor record, so he doesn’t need to have improved at all over the past 3 years to break it.
11:59 5000m the next great barrier of Human performance. Only 58 per 400m, seems possible.
What happens first sub 9 100m or 11:59 5k... Or sub 10 women's 100m, sub 1:50 women's 800m?
Sub 1:50 women's 800m could happen if we have a Chebet level improvement there with bicarb + drugs. The rest are just science fiction under conditions as we know it and I can't see those being reached any time soon, unless we get highly advanced genetically engineered humans, or we discover a way to revolutionize the energy return / responsiveness of track surfaces on a level that dwarfs the improvement of even carbon plated super foam shoes.
A 12:25 5000 (sub 4:00 mile pace) already seems otherworldly let alone 11:59, but I actually think it could very well happen within the next few decades.
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There's a good chance he'll be on one of his regular altitude stints in Flagstaff so just wants to hit a race while he's in the country. Maybe he'll make a late entry into Millrose as well. He's certainly more than capable of coming back 6 days later for a mile or 3k.
Have a pretty shrewd hunch Grant will be in this 5k race.
Grant mentioned in this week's LRC podcast interview he will looking for a "mini peak" indoors while doing "a few" races.
He stated the first race will be two or three weeks following the Houston Half Marathon on January 12th -- too close to Houston to attempt both, so a preference for continuing to focus on the track.
I thought his first race would be a low-key mile somewhere at the end of January, maybe in Flagstaff where he will be based for the first two months of 2025. That may still be the case.
Now, however, the Big Reveal in JG's homepage article describing the podcast interview is that Grant will also be racing the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix meet on Feb. 2nd. Common sense suggest he's not flying out to Boston just to open his season with a rust buster mile race. He must be going out there because New Balance is putting together a monster 5k men's field targeting Bekele's 12:49 WR.
So, Beamish's rumor of Jingy targeting a 5k WR on The Track at New Balance at the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix on February 2nd appears factual.
Believe Grant will do a mile race at the end of January followed the Boston 5k a week later followed by the Millrose 3k a week hence.
Or, kick off 2025 with the Boston 5k, then the Millrose 3k, then another race at the BU Valentine meet a week after that.
Then, as Grant stated in the podcast, he's take a few days down time before resuming fall-like training as his slow buildup to the GST series April through June.
If we do indeed get Grant and Jakob in a 5k that could possibly be the race of the year (in a world's year, no less). Jakob should break the indoor record, but could we see a Ngeny/El G like race with two guys hammering towards a record?
You've over-complicated it in order to throw up a smokescreen. Any world record now is likely doped. The discussion about Chebet simply reinforces that. Ingebrigtsen is nowhere near the outdoor record but you guys think he will now take the indoor record from the great Bekele. Sure. Nothing to see there.
There is no difference between indoors and outdoors anymore. Woody Kincaid ran 12:51i and he is nowhere near Bekele.
The whining about Jakob’s progression is pointless. His PB is already faster than the indoor record, so he doesn’t need to have improved at all over the past 3 years to break it.
If he doesn't need to improve to beat it then it isn't much of a record is it, since he is only about the 20th fastest outdoors in the event?
No difference between surfaces, you say. Yet none of the indoor records are anywhere near as fast as the outdoor records.
There is no difference between indoors and outdoors anymore. Woody Kincaid ran 12:51i and he is nowhere near Bekele.
The whining about Jakob’s progression is pointless. His PB is already faster than the indoor record, so he doesn’t need to have improved at all over the past 3 years to break it.
If he doesn't need to improve to beat it then it isn't much of a record is it, since he is only about the 20th fastest outdoors in the event?
No difference between surfaces, you say. Yet none of the indoor records are anywhere near as fast as the outdoor records.
No, it isn’t much of a record. If it were, Kincaid would not be a mere 2 seconds behind Bekele. They are simply not the same caliber of athlete.
The indoor season ends in March. Most top athletes are hitting their peaks in July and August. See if you can figure out why the indoor times are slower.
If he doesn't need to improve to beat it then it isn't much of a record is it, since he is only about the 20th fastest outdoors in the event?
No difference between surfaces, you say. Yet none of the indoor records are anywhere near as fast as the outdoor records.
No, it isn’t much of a record. If it were, Kincaid would not be a mere 2 seconds behind Bekele. They are simply not the same caliber of athlete.
The indoor season ends in March. Most top athletes are hitting their peaks in July and August. See if you can figure out why the indoor times are slower.
So Jakob will be the exception? If it's so easy for him to peak off-season it should also have been easy for others. But it appears not.
If it isn't much of a record then it really doesn't matter jacksh*t if Ingebrigtsen takes it, does it? He still remains the length of the straight from the outdoor wr - the one that counts.
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So Jakob will be the exception? If it's so easy for him to peak off-season it should also have been easy for others. But it appears not.
If it isn't much of a record then it really doesn't matter jacksh*t if Ingebrigtsen takes it, does it? He still remains the length of the straight from the outdoor wr - the one that counts.
I would say it depends on what the new record is. Someone will run 12:48i soon, even if Jakob doesn’t. That’s not that big a deal, even by world indoor record standards. If Jakob runs 12:45, that bodes very well for his outdoor future. If Jakob runs 12:40, that would be one of the hallowed world records that seem unbeatable and stand for decades.
I think Jakob will lower his 5000m PR at this race, which obviously means a world indoor record. Probably 12:45 or 12:46.
So Jakob will be the exception? If it's so easy for him to peak off-season it should also have been easy for others. But it appears not.
If it isn't much of a record then it really doesn't matter jacksh*t if Ingebrigtsen takes it, does it? He still remains the length of the straight from the outdoor wr - the one that counts.
I would say it depends on what the new record is. Someone will run 12:48i soon, even if Jakob doesn’t. That’s not that big a deal, even by world indoor record standards. If Jakob runs 12:45, that bodes very well for his outdoor future. If Jakob runs 12:40, that would be one of the hallowed world records that seem unbeatable and stand for decades.
I think Jakob will lower his 5000m PR at this race, which obviously means a world indoor record. Probably 12:45 or 12:46.
I’m pretty certain that Jakob is not running in Boston anymore. At some point, NB indoor grand prix had a promotional picture of him with other confirmed runners but since then, they have removed him and never announced him. I’d say he opens his season in Lievin in either the 3k/2 mile or 1500/Mile
No, it isn’t much of a record. If it were, Kincaid would not be a mere 2 seconds behind Bekele. They are simply not the same caliber of athlete.
The indoor season ends in March. Most top athletes are hitting their peaks in July and August. See if you can figure out why the indoor times are slower.
So Jakob will be the exception? If it's so easy for him to peak off-season it should also have been easy for others. But it appears not.
If it isn't much of a record then it really doesn't matter jacksh*t if Ingebrigtsen takes it, does it? He still remains the length of the straight from the outdoor wr - the one that counts.
Can you name any athletes of Jakob’s caliber who have attempted to break this record in the last 20 years?
It will only matter depending on how fast he runs (or not). He has the 1500m indoor record and that hasn’t meant anything in terms of running 3:26.00, but it’s still an accolade and a payday.
I’m still awaiting an explanation for Kincaid running 12:51.6 to Bekele’s 12:49.6. Anything to say? Maybe Wale being less than a tenth behind Komen over 3k is a better one for you to tackle, or perhaps you’d like to discuss Tefera and Kejelcha breaking the records of the great El Guerrouj?
Why do you invent things I say rather than answer to what I actually say? I say that it is assumed that someone who have trained for four years and got a lot better at every distance (they compete at) will also be better at the 5000, especially considering they were a teenager the first time around. Do you suggest that he probably haven't become better in the 5000? Do you suggest that he could have won 2x wc and olympic gold in the 5000 with the same shape he was in at 19? That would be remarkable.
What is assumed is that his improvements at shorter distances mean he will improve similarly at longer distances. Since he isnt a true distance runner but is a md runner it doesn't follow. It is also being forecast here that he will run faster indoors over the 5k than he has ever done outdoors. If that isn't a confident prediction based on a speculative belief at how much he has improved in 3 years I don't know what is. But then he could take the same approach as the recent African record breakers, which is probably the norm now.
I never said similarly. I said that when a 19 year old gets to train for a number of years and show great progress in everything from the 1500 to the 2 mile, and even have progress on 10km, then you can assume that his 5000m progress as well. A sane person would also see that his history with three global medals in the 5000m points to him being better as well.
No, it isn’t much of a record. If it were, Kincaid would not be a mere 2 seconds behind Bekele. They are simply not the same caliber of athlete.
The indoor season ends in March. Most top athletes are hitting their peaks in July and August. See if you can figure out why the indoor times are slower.
So Jakob will be the exception? If it's so easy for him to peak off-season it should also have been easy for others. But it appears not.
If it isn't much of a record then it really doesn't matter jacksh*t if Ingebrigtsen takes it, does it? He still remains the length of the straight from the outdoor wr - the one that counts.
You got to make up your mind, is it impossible or is it not?
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