Shelby podcast today: "I want all the records", wants world record attempt in mile her first race back

dunes runner wrote:

I haven't watched all of the interview yet, but Shelby alluded to the fact that the doping organization, whatever it's initials are now, is never required to provide valid evidence that would hold up in a court where it would be open to challenges. In other words, people can be banned over and over and over for no valid reasons.

Based on this thread where all the accusers are basing their attacks on hypothetical conjecture and often obvious lies, I am coming to the conclusion that none of the so called doping busts can be considered to be credible, and they won't ever be credible, because they are never held to the standard that they must be open to legitimate challenges.

The people accused should always be considered to be innocent, unless and until the evidence is conclusive, and conclusive means conclusive, not spurious, hypothetical & dishonest.

rekrunner wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

I haven't watched all of the interview yet, but Shelby alluded to the fact that the doping organization, whatever it's initials are now, is never required to provide valid evidence that would hold up in a court where it would be open to challenges. In other words, people can be banned over and over and over for no valid reasons.

Based on this thread where all the accusers are basing their attacks on hypothetical conjecture and often obvious lies, I am coming to the conclusion that none of the so called doping busts can be considered to be credible, and they won't ever be credible, because they are never held to the standard that they must be open to legitimate challenges.

The people accused should always be considered to be innocent, unless and until the evidence is conclusive, and conclusive means conclusive, not spurious, hypothetical & dishonest.

I don't recall her saying anti-doping bodies should be required to provide evidence that would hold up in a court. What she says in the podcast is that anti-doping bodies should be held accountable for "getting it right" for the athlete. This is in line with what Travis Tygart repeatedly criticizes about recent (2015) changes in the WADA Code shifting all of the burden onto the athlete, relieving the anti-doping bodies of any accountability.

The scenario here isn't all doping busts, but the subset where the source can be accidental or unknowing contamination from food or medicine or supplements.

dunes runner wrote:

I haven't watched all of the interview yet, but Shelby alluded to the fact that the doping organization, whatever it's initials are now, is never required to provide valid evidence that would hold up in a court where it would be open to challenges. In other words, people can be banned over and over and over for no valid reasons.

Based on this thread where all the accusers are basing their attacks on hypothetical conjecture and often obvious lies, I am coming to the conclusion that none of the so called doping busts can be considered to be credible, and they won't ever be credible, because they are never held to the standard that they must be open to legitimate challenges.

The people accused should always be considered to be innocent, unless and until the evidence is conclusive, and conclusive means conclusive, not spurious, hypothetical & dishonest.

Mister Miler wrote:

CopperRunner wrote:

“I got busted for doping, I didn’t run the world record or close to it in my prime whilst on the sauce, so the first thing I’m going to do is break the world record now a crucial few years older supposedly off the sauce.”

You can’t make this up. Probably the same self importance that caused the doping problem and maybe what will continue the doping problem. I hate that she’s pushing the narrative that she’s some kind of victim for being caught cheating and that she’s gonna make the heroic comeback she deserves. If she wants any semblance of respect/forgiveness from the track community which she clearly craves she should just come clean and enjoy being an also ran for the rest of her career, and show gratitude that she has garnered enough forgiveness from USATF and World Athletics to be allowed to do that.

Actually, you did indeed just make that up. Shelby didn't say anything remotely close to that quote because she denies doping. So your post is made up.

dunes runner wrote:

I haven't watched all of the interview yet, but Shelby alluded to the fact that the doping organization, whatever it's initials are now, is never required to provide valid evidence that would hold up in a court where it would be open to challenges. In other words, people can be banned over and over and over for no valid reasons.

Based on this thread where all the accusers are basing their attacks on hypothetical conjecture and often obvious lies, I am coming to the conclusion that none of the so called doping busts can be considered to be credible, and they won't ever be credible, because they are never held to the standard that they must be open to legitimate challenges.

The people accused should always be considered to be innocent, unless and until the evidence is conclusive, and conclusive means conclusive, not spurious, hypothetical & dishonest.

Mister Miler wrote:

CopperRunner wrote:

No seriously. I said in my post that I think it was probably the cause of the doping too.

I got dogged for it in another thread as i’m sure I will here too, but narcissism is extremely prevalent in high level athletics, and I think people think I am calling someone a bad person of sorts by saying they may have the disorder but i’m not, i’m just saying they are mentally ill. Narcissism on the surface looks like someone who thinks they are the best and can’t do anything wrong but what’s happening on the inside of a narcissist is the opposite of that and it’s a serious mental health issue that can lead to extreme self identity issues and depression. I’m not just throwing around the phrase on people I don’t like either.

Grandiose sense of self

Abuse of substances

Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments

Dishonesty about anything that could make one’s character look bad

Cheating to obtain goals

Doubling down on lies and forming elaborate stories to validate the lies when exposed

These are all narcissistic signs/behaviors that in my eyes Shelby exhibits, and when the lie all falls apart which it currently is, it can be horrific on someone’s mental well being. I have/had a close friend going through a similar thing but out of the public eye and I feel really bad for him. A year ago he had convinced everyone he was the best thing ever and had some kind of savior complex that a lot of people bought into, and now he’s losing all of his friends, his long term romantic relationship is falling apart, his family doesn’t trust him, and he’s spiraling out of control abusing substances and flunking out of school. He’s dropping all of the people that stuck by him because he asks them for advice and the advice they give threaten his ego so he’s deluded himself into thinking everyone is against him, and in doing so is turning everyone against him.

I personally think humility can help Shelby a lot, I think she’d be surprised at how much her former fans will be willing to forgive her and support her by just coming clean and talking about how much pressure she felt to start doping and prove to everyone she can still exist on the pro scene without doping. Probably a lot of REAL self actualization/realization to be had there too.

You got dogged because your armchair psychological "analysis" is absurd. By your theory, any professional athlete who denies doping is a narcissist. Absurd.

"Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments" and "grandiose sense of self" are things that can be said about almost all professional athletes. Who even tries to become a professional athlete unless they believe they can achieve great things? People might have accused Kenneth Rooks of having "delusions of grandiose future accomplishments" for thinking he could medal at the Olympics before he did it.

The women's indoor mile world record is 4:13.31. That is equivalent to a 3:54.61 1500. Shelby has run 3:54.99 outdoors, so it is not a stretch for her to think that she is capable of running the equivalent of less than four-tenths of a second faster indoors.