I remember a Total Running Productions video that said there is no world record from 400m up to 3000m that was more than 20 seconds faster than the equivalent time achieved at 60s/lap pace, with the closest to the 20 second difference being the 800m WR.
The guy is using Noah’s CAREER as a sample size, obviously. You are just another true believer who munches on the EPO fueled shorts of cheats like Ngeny.
There are a few like that here.
Ngeny was clearly doped to the gills. I remember Deano positing here the theory that Ngeny's 'car crash' was a cover for a failed doping test.
Man, what a great year Jake Wightman had in 2022. WC 1500 gold, EC 800 silver, CG 1500 bronze. Scottish records in the 800 (Brussels) where he took down an absolutely loaded field (Sedjati, Korir, Arop, Crestan, Rotich, Tual, Kinyamal, Garcia) and the 1000 (9th all time). Not to mention a DL 1500m win in Rabat and a British 1500m championship. Closed it out with a 5th Avenue win over Hocker, Beamish, and Kerr. Most of that at age 28, too!
It reminds me very much of David Moorcroft in 1982 who, after being good for a number of years, had a breakout season at 29 in which he was great for a few months(world 5000 record, number 2 all-time 3000, sub 3:50 mile), but unfortunately injuries and illness prevented him from ever reaching that level again. Hopefully Wightman can get back to the top ranks again.
Seems strange that anglo saxon runners from the british isles and their brethren in australia tend to be mediocre most of their early careers then in their late and advanced ages all suddenly become world challangers such as wightman, bell, hull etc only to revert to their means due to "injuries". It's almost as though they figure out they were mediocre and "discover" new training medicating methods which explains why they have a single season only to disappear to irrelevance but spin it as injuries.
I hate world records, they make me slower in my youth. I have NEVER read anyone else say that on LRC. I have been a frequent reader on here for probably about 8 years!
The "expected" behavior is for the gap to grow smoothly until it reaches a certain point and then reverse. For short races, the distance is too short to get very much under 60-second pace. For long races, the pace catches up to you.
You can see that this is basically what happens, with the margin getting bigger, stabilizing around 800-1500, and then decreasing. But the 1000m margin is slightly less than either of the surronding distances.
All of this is to say that, while an excellent record, the 1000m is (perhaps unsurprisingly) weaker than the 800m record and the 1500m record. In other words, it's ripe to fall to an outstanding athlete like Arop. The race will have to go perfectly, of course, and that usually doesn't happen. But if it does, we could see something very big.
THAT IS A WEIRD METRIC MY FRIEND AND MOSTLY PROVES THAT YOU CAN SHOW anything TO BE TRUE STATISTICALLY!!! Please let us know if anyone buys into that theory.
It reminds me very much of David Moorcroft in 1982 who, after being good for a number of years, had a breakout season at 29 in which he was great for a few months(world 5000 record, number 2 all-time 3000, sub 3:50 mile), but unfortunately injuries and illness prevented him from ever reaching that level again. Hopefully Wightman can get back to the top ranks again.
Seems strange that anglo saxon runners from the british isles and their brethren in australia tend to be mediocre most of their early careers then in their late and advanced ages all suddenly become world challangers such as wightman, bell, hull etc only to revert to their means due to "injuries". It's almost as though they figure out they were mediocre and "discover" new training medicating methods which explains why they have a single season only to disappear to irrelevance but spin it as injuries.
If you’re an American, you should probably quit while you’re ahead.
The "expected" behavior is for the gap to grow smoothly until it reaches a certain point and then reverse. For short races, the distance is too short to get very much under 60-second pace. For long races, the pace catches up to you.
You can see that this is basically what happens, with the margin getting bigger, stabilizing around 800-1500, and then decreasing. But the 1000m margin is slightly less than either of the surronding distances.
All of this is to say that, while an excellent record, the 1000m is (perhaps unsurprisingly) weaker than the 800m record and the 1500m record. In other words, it's ripe to fall to an outstanding athlete like Arop. The race will have to go perfectly, of course, and that usually doesn't happen. But if it does, we could see something very big.
THAT IS A WEIRD METRIC MY FRIEND AND MOSTLY PROVES THAT YOU CAN SHOW anything TO BE TRUE STATISTICALLY!!! Please let us know if anyone buys into that theory.
By this "metric", Bolt's 9.58 is by far the weakest record, what a joke.
Seems strange that anglo saxon runners from the british isles and their brethren in australia tend to be mediocre most of their early careers then in their late and advanced ages all suddenly become world challangers such as wightman, bell, hull etc only to revert to their means due to "injuries". It's almost as though they figure out they were mediocre and "discover" new training medicating methods which explains why they have a single season only to disappear to irrelevance but spin it as injuries.
If you’re an American, you should probably quit while you’re ahead.
That 800m split was wrong on the screen. The clock (split) came up well before he crossed the 800m point. it was closer to 1:44 high / 1:45 low (still fast)
You are reaching. Ngeny was called on the carpet, offered a chance to continue running if he feigned some injury and got off the sauce. All of a sudden he has an accident, and. and can’t run well anymore. He couldn’t run all that well anymore because he wasn’t doped to his eyeballs.
No way that was 1:43.9 enroute. Nevertheless a very solid performance by Arop, even slightly better than I expected (which was 2:13.5 or so, about the same as Souleiman's PR). But despite his 1:41.20 he still hasn't beaten Makh Daddy or Cram, never mind Coe and Ngeny.
Face the facts. Arop can't break the 1k WR. He needs to be much stronger at 1500 than 3:37 to get there. The drop off between 800 and 1000 is totally seismic and despite what you all claim is experience, this step change in athlete potential performance is clearly underestimated by you LRBF.
1. Yes respect to Wohlhulter...whose 2:13.9 was long recognized as a "hard record" (S.Coe)
2. Speaking of Coe... Coe's greatest run was his 2:12.18, as acknowledged by his dad/coach, himself, and numerous others. Still #2 alltime. In 1981 only one other athlete bettered his enroute 800 of 1:44.56. Watch for yourselves, particularly the section between 600 and 800 when he absolutely goes for it.
No supershoes. No wavelights. No opposition. An alltime performance that will remain the UK NR long after he passes away. Peter Snell's NZ NR lasted sixty-two years, five years after he passed...but Coe's 1k will last longer than that.
3. Hobbs Kessler could deliver an outstanding performance at 1k. His 1:43/3:29 combo gives him better odds than Arop. I wonder why he didn't race this distance at this meet, seems exactly the right time for it.
You are reaching. Ngeny was called on the carpet, offered a chance to continue running if he feigned some injury and got off the sauce. All of a sudden he has an accident, and. and can’t run well anymore. He couldn’t run all that well anymore because he wasn’t doped to his eyeballs.
You are reaching, Coevett. Remember, by the way, who was coaching Ngeny. That's right.
The "expected" behavior is for the gap to grow smoothly until it reaches a certain point and then reverse. For short races, the distance is too short to get very much under 60-second pace. For long races, the pace catches up to you.
You can see that this is basically what happens, with the margin getting bigger, stabilizing around 800-1500, and then decreasing. But the 1000m margin is slightly less than either of the surronding distances.
All of this is to say that, while an excellent record, the 1000m is (perhaps unsurprisingly) weaker than the 800m record and the 1500m record. In other words, it's ripe to fall to an outstanding athlete like Arop. The race will have to go perfectly, of course, and that usually doesn't happen. But if it does, we could see something very big.
THAT IS A WEIRD METRIC MY FRIEND AND MOSTLY PROVES THAT YOU CAN SHOW anything TO BE TRUE STATISTICALLY!!! Please let us know if anyone buys into that theory.
...actually, that is a very good metric, when you look at the surrounding distances. As the poster says, the 1,000m diminishes from 800m, so you would expect it to diminish, but the 1,500 gap is bigger. So the 1,500 is either 'way' better than the 800m and the actual outlier, or if the 800m and 1,500m (both raced more than other distances) have actually peaked, then the logic is that the seldom raced 1,000m is too low.