All of Dumbs post show that he still compares one runner with the combined rest. Which is just not to top in his pure stupidity. Hundreds of posts from him about the subject, but he still hasn't understood the question.
No, he hasn't performed the best in championships. The runners who won did. He hasn't been a winner for years. Your adulation of Ingebrigtsen (you are Norwegian?) borders on the pathological.
If your argument is that you have to combine the results of every top runner to beat out Jakob,
That's what he is doing. Also on similar other issues. Since years.
"Others have won...". He still has not understood "best runner".
LOL. I really love Jakob… he’s great for our sport. I hope he keeps running the 1500m, I hope he sets the world record, and I hope he figures out how to win a global championship.
But no… he’s not the best in the world in any year that he’s failed to win the global championship final…. In 2021 he was the best in the world and he has the gold medal to prove it. 2022 it was Jake, then Josh in 2023, now Cole in 2024.
Next year I hope Jakob gets it… but he’s going to have to figure out how to beat the world. The other guys have him figured out… so if his strategy is to run (and lead) an even paced 3:28 next year, my money is on the world. If he does something different, then his chances go up. Good luck Jakob.
I disagree, because I think the only way to reach a consensus on who’s the best is doing a ranking, that both emphasises the importance of championships and consistency through multiple races (WA’s ranking would be a good starting point in most instances).
So here is my suggestion:
Best in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021: Timothy Cheruiyot. Best in 2022, 2023: Jakob Ingebrigtsen. Best from December 2023 -July 2024: Josh Kerr. Best July 12 2024-August 6: Jakob. Best August 6 -August 22 2024: Cole Hocker. Best August 22- the rest of the season: Probably Jakob Ingebrigtsen (With Yared Nuguse the best in the days around Sept 5, because of Jakob’s sickness), but Jakob then have to have a dominant win in Brussels September 13 to keep his rank as the best…
You are seriously dumb. You call Jakob loser, when he got 4th in the 1500 and 1st in the 5000. But you don't call Kerr a loser when he got a 2nd. Kerr lost the only final he ran in, Jakob lost one of two. Your schadenfreude consumes you. That's not a bad thing though :)
You are seriously dumb. You call Jakob loser, when he got 4th in the 1500 and 1st in the 5000. But you don't call Kerr a loser when he got a 2nd. Kerr lost the only final he ran in, Jakob lost one of two. Your schadenfreude consumes you. That's not a bad thing though :)
Kerr finished in front of Jakob, by two places. I'm sure Jakob doesn't really feel he lost, seeing three runners in front of him in his favourite event. The 5k was his consolation prize. But you must be used to that experience, of seeing other athletes in front of you, so it would be hard for you to tell what winning felt like. That's quite apart from your struggling to follow every conversation.
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I don't prefer anybody. He is just undoubtedly the best in the 1500m over the last years. Since you ignore any arguments which are given to you, any discussion with you is useless.
Wightman? Laughable just to name him.
Jakob wasn't laughing when he finished behind him.
If your argument is that you have to combine the results of every top runner to beat out Jakob,
That's what he is doing. Also on similar other issues. Since years.
"Others have won...". He still has not understood "best runner".
You haven't understood the discussion. He isn't the best. He is amongst the best - none clearly dominate but all can win and on the big occasions now it's always the next guy.
To be the best in an event, you gotta win the gold. That’s all there is to it.
Hocker is the top 1500m runner for 2024?
That's nuts
Hocker's performance was right out of left-field - a bit like Centro in 2016. I doubt that he will ever back it up - unless he juices like he probably did in Paris.
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Hocker's performance was right out of left-field - a bit like Centro in 2016. I doubt that he will ever back it up - unless he juices like he probably did in Paris.
Ingebrigtsen is the most successful distance runner in the last decade (maybe some will argue for Cheptegei). He is a two time Olympic a two time World champion and a 18(?) times European champion. He has won more Diamond leagues than any other runner in this period. He has set fantastic World records over 2000m, 3000m, 2 Miles and is the fastest over 1500m and the Mile in this period. To describe him as a "loser" because he also has lost several races is pure insanity which only can be done while driven by pure hate.
I don't prefer anybody. He is just undoubtedly the best in the 1500m over the last years. Since you ignore any arguments which are given to you, any discussion with you is useless.
Wightman? Laughable just to name him.
Jakob wasn't laughing when he finished behind him.
What a stupid comment - on pure Dumb level. Wightman has nothing achieved to be in the conversation.
That's what he is doing. Also on similar other issues. Since years.
"Others have won...". He still has not understood "best runner".
You haven't understood the discussion. He isn't the best. He is amongst the best - none clearly dominate but all can win and on the big occasions now it's always the next guy.
With you there is no discussion, since you ignore any arguments.
He is the best. He is the fastest in the last three years, he has by far the most fast times, he has a positive win/loss record against all his competitors. He is best at the Global champs and he is a three time European champion.
His record is far from perfect (like Coe, Cram, Ovett for example) but he clearly is the best over the last years. It's not debatable. Morceli and El Guerrouj (both also not perfect records) where much more dominant in their prime, but currently Ingebrigtsen is the best.
Kelvin Kiptum: 2:01:53 WR, 2:01:25 WR, 2:00:35 WR. Redefined the possibilities of Marathoning. No medals.
Bekele: 5000m 2004 onwards: WR + Silver medal. No 5000 medal 2005 WC or 2007 WC
Paula Radcliffe: 2002 onwards. London Win. Chicago Win. London Win. WR. OLY DNF. New York Win. London Win.
Ron Clarke: 17x WR from 5000m-10M: 0x Silver/Gold medals at WC or OLY's. Paul Tergat: 2:04:55 WR 2004-2007, 0x World/OLY Golds (0x medals at all at Marathon). Asafa Powell: 2x 100m WR, 0x individual Gold or SIlvers. Eliud Kipchoge: 2022/2023/2024 = 0x Medals.
Point being, I know you don't care for actual answers because this thread was just made to irritate Jakob fans, but these instances do occur - someone can dominate on the circuit for years and just not do something right for the one big race everyone remembers. Just as Kerr can have an unremarkable year and then pop off just when it matters most and gets huge praise for it.
Kiptum just one WR.
Clarke has won no World Champs? Are you sure about that?
The first WC was 1983, almost 20 years after Clark retired.
Who has been better in championships? Hocker who has competed in 3 global finals and placed 6, 7 and 1? Kerr who has competed in 6 global finals and has finished 34, 6, 5, 3, 2, 1? Or Jakob who has competed in 5 global finals and has finished 4, 4, 2, 2, 1?
If your argument is that you have to combine the results of every top runner to beat out Jakob, then sure, Jakob loses out. Jakob is better until either Kerr or Hocker wins another global gold, because his non gold placings are better than Kerrs and Hockers, and he's run faster than both of them.
And no, I'm not Norwegian. I'll ask again, is Wightman currently a better runner than Nuguse?
Wightman has been injured. When he was fit he was better than anyone else. But looking at the last three years what stands out is that Ingebrigtsen has lost at his main distance at every WC and despite trying to run the legs off the field at the last Olympics he didn't place. So every year there was a world champion who wasn't Ingebrigtsen and this year an another Olympic champion. That means in the races that count in the sport in the last three years he lost and there was another runner better than him. It's also shown in DL races we've seen this year. Only in this era is it argued that the best in their event is the athlete who cannot win at WC or Olympic level. Perhaps you have only just come to the sport.
Has Wightman been injured since he won the Worlds gold? Because he hasn't done anything of note since then. And last time I checked Jakob has won the Olympic gold, so he's the best since he performs the best in championships, runs the fastest and has a better head to head record compared to his competitors.
Are you talking about the DL races where Kerr put down a horrible 3:31? Or where Jakob put several seconds in front of Hocker? Being the best means performing around the year, every year, not showing up for one race.
Kerr is a better 1500m runner currently. Gold last year, silver this year.
Kerr has won a single outdoor track race this season and a single last season, and rather races road races instead of the Diamond League final. He's had the best placings in global finals the last two years, doesn't make him the best runner.
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