- Shane Cohen, Addy Wiley, top SEC sprinters (well...)
- Any sports-focused boarging school like Montverde and IMG with near world class times. Maybe add a couple oregon runners as well just because of how many resources the school would have
- World class times: Christian Miller and Quincy Wilson; nb - these aren't from true suspicions of doping due to normal progressions and physiques, it's more by virtue of the time itself. But a random test they couldn’t avoid would go a long way to assuage doubts.
- Top HS (past and present) but not globally elite: Danny Simmons, Drew Griffith, Newbury Park alum's who aren't now tested (i.e. not the one who's currently pro and who has noticabley lighter bone structure than the others)As someone who ran a hair under 9:00 in the mid 2000's off of moderate training for that time (about 50 mpw in season, 60 during cross) I would expect to see progression if people have run more mileage along with shoes benefiting 3 seconds per mile. But especially because it seems like the times needed to get recruited get a bit faster each year, what'll be the recruiting standards for Stanford and top Ivies in a few years? Sub 8:40 or sub 4? My brother's kid is 14 and knows how fast he'd have to run in 4 years
So why wouldn't people dope to get in when a non-zero number of people are doing it as well? And especially because people can get paid for their performance* yet never get tested, what's stopping people?
USADA has tested Addy Wiley 5 times this year. Wilson 4 times. Miller 5 times. This is all public. Doesn't include other testing organizations or the Olympics.
How many were out of competition vs while at trials?
Are you really the child of Belarusian immigrants to the US, as your posts aren't very worldly?
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I’m much more skeptical about distance runners in the ncaa doping. Khan was obvious. Anyone who thought otherwise had their eyes closed. I’m not sure I can think of anyone else who is obvious.
How was Khan “obvious”, since he was running slower times than others? You’re like that chirping idiot astro that says “told you so” only after the fact.
Appears that the benefit of doping in India also applies to finding employment. Anonymous doper at 11:51 says this. With an unemployment rate of 40% for those that are 25 and under with a college degree in India the risk/benefit is weighted heavily towards doping to differentiate yourself from others applying for jobs.
Going to be plenty more of this as more and more schools transition over into recruiting elite level foreigners who may have had access to doping.
Sensational logic.
The collegiate athletes in the U.S. are competing year-on-year in a system without doping tests, and you're instead blaming the foreign athletes for apparently having access to drugs back home? Because all foreign doctors just hand this stuff out like candy? Just completely ignoring the hundreds of untested American athletes.
Grow up.
The ncaa doesnt test and prob should. But the many elite NCAA athletes that rise to world athletics races most assuredly get tested? No? Even USATF nationals does? So its not like they are getting free pass to olympics without any testing.
Appears that the benefit of doping in India also applies to finding employment. Anonymous doper at 11:51 says this. With an unemployment rate of 40% for those that are 25 and under with a college degree in India the risk/benefit is weighted heavily towards doping to differentiate yourself from others applying for jobs.
If you fail these tests, it's not even announced though. The "punishment" is just losing a year of eligibility and your college gets to say you're injured. Erin Brown said he failed a test this year (for weed) and he just had to miss one meet.
Recreational drugs are different. Punishment for failing a test for epo is 4 year ban, can be 3 years if the athlete admits to using it.
Not in the NCAA. They literally are not WADA-consignatory. Semoy Hackett tested positive twice in the NCAA and one of the times she was literally allowed to compete in the upcoming Olympics because it hadn't been publicised.
How was Khan “obvious”, since he was running slower times than others? You’re like that chirping idiot astro that says “told you so” only after the fact.
It’s the times he’s run (and his placement) with zero tactical awareness
This is pretty big news and, unfortunately, is cause for suspicion about other athletes that Palmer coaches and has coached. I’m hoping that is isolated and something Khan chose to do on his own.
Look. I hate U Florida. I'm a UGA grad. I'd love for this to be a Will Palmer/Florida thing. And, heck, maybe there is a problem at Florida.
This, however, is more an Indian track and field thing. They are dirty. Some links to articles on the rampant doping in India Athletics have been posted, and this is a known problem for a while.
Also, while I won't say it's impossible, or even hard, to get PEDs in the US, it is amazingly easier to do so in India. If anyone has had experiences with the Indian medical industry, you know what I mean. Need to get a drug you can't find anywhere else? India probably has a producer of it. Your quality mileage may vary, but you'll get it . . . just need to pay.
There is more regulation and oversight of drug producers, manufacturers, and distributors in the US than in India.
Also, Parvesh got pinched because of World Athletics testing standards, not the NCAA. So, yeah . . . if dude had not competed internationally, I bet this would not have popped.
Again, I am not Florida fan. I don't like this dude. Not because he's Indian, or an international runner. Or because of his perceived "attitude." I dislike him because he runs for Florida. I'd love to taunt Florida for being cheats . . . and, heck, maybe they are a rotten program.
But this story, I don't think, shows that.
(Also, to be fair to India Athletics, and India as a nation, I do not think their problem is state-sponsored doping a la Russia or China or East Germany/USSR in the past. It's more that it's rampant, kind of like steroid use in the 70s and 80s in American football. Mostly athlete-driven doping for performance.)
(Double also, to hell with Florida. I think we should tear down that University and plow salt in the ground. Not because of this, but as a general kindness to the universe. Gators wear jean shorts.)
The NCAA does have a testing program, both at major events and out-of-competition testing. (Athletes and schools are given a two-day window/warning.) But while they have an out-of-competition testing regime, it's unclear how they choose athletes and how often they test. It's not nearly as transparent nor as active and consistent as the USADA program. Since the NCAA has emerged as a kind of minor league for pro track around the world, it's time to hand testing over to the USADA, or develop their own testing program that mirrors the USADA program.
There is an NCAA testing program, athletes do get tested. But it's not nearly as active a program as the USADA's. There is both testing at major competitions, and out-of-competition testing. How they select athletes for out-of-competition testing and how often -- that's unclear.
How was Khan “obvious”, since he was running slower times than others? You’re like that chirping idiot astro that says “told you so” only after the fact.
It’s the times he’s run (and his placement) with zero tactical awareness
Per WA, as a 17yr-old he slipped under 1:48 and ran a 3:40.x which indicates some talent. How many American kids have those times? Those times are much faster than what top Oregon recruit, Connor Burns ran at that age.
It’s the times he’s run (and his placement) with zero tactical awareness
Per WA, as a 17yr-old he slipped under 1:48 and ran a 3:40.x which indicates some talent. How many American kids have those times? Those times are much faster than what top Oregon recruit, Connor Burns ran at that age.
What’s to say he was clean then? Yes, 1:46 needs talent, but 1:46 doped talent isn’t the same as 1:46 clean. The latter is probably 1:50-51
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