This. To quote (machine translation, but verified) the actual story when it broke a few years ago:
We grew up with a father who was very aggressive and controlling, and who used physical violence and threats as part of his parenting. We still feel discomfort and fear, which remain with us from childhood.
In some way, we accepted this. We lived with it, and as adults, we moved on. At least, we thought we did. In hindsight, we realize that was naive.
But two years ago, the same aggression and physical punishment struck again. That was the last straw.
Vi har aldri ønsket at private detaljer fra vår familiesituasjon brettes ut i norske medier, og er lei oss for at utenforstående rammes. Nå ønsker vi ro, for alle parter. Derfor forteller vi vår historie. Det gjør vondt, men...
"Spanking" is a misleading description. The correct description (as you likely know) is "hitting children". Doesn't sound so nice though.
Doesn't even have to be hitting, i.e pinching your kid would be illegal in Norway.
You know this? Parents have been charged for it? What about a "friendly pat on the head"? So that means Gjert hasn't really done anything that you would think was wrong?
Look let this be known to all LRC folks, I'm a non-violent person alright??????? Why would I be??? I'm staring at a beautiful mountain right in front of me and feeling so at peace and tranquil with mother nature, no worries, no stress and definitely no schizophrenia or psychiatric illness as some ill-conceived LRC folks on here thinks of me!!!!!!!!!!
But that doesn't mean I'm unable despite all the soothing stress-free sensations coursing through my soul and body to give my blessings to Dads who want to 'beat the heads' of their young or older children you feeling me folks?????
Of course not all 'beatings' are as innocuously filled with Dad's true love and care for their children but my experience and foresight tells me that you can assume that the majority of 'beatings' are borne of love and care and completely harmless, not child abuse or violence, nothing like this!!!!!!!!!!!! It would completely align with Holy Scripture for a father to discipline his child!!!!!
The accusations I read above by the brothers are very standard fatherly acts such as 'threats', 'name-calling', 'psychological threats', 'pinching and pulling the ear' (which my Daddy did for me in love), 'head beatings. These are what I would call the equivalent of Alberto Salazar's 'locker room boys talk' about the female gender, you feeling me sir??????
It's a very private and intimate event between 2 actors well known to one another such as father and son or if in the locker room between close knit team-mates!!!!!! As long as it stays in the locker room, which it should, and not be twittered, X-ed or facebook-ed, nobody would know what X-rated things were said or done, similarly, the events between Gjert and Jakob should have been kept secret only to close family and loved ones and never should have been published by Jakob and the brothers just as locker-room talk stays in the locker room!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's how I do reason and persuasion!!!!
I too am staring at a beautiful mountain (well, several as a matter of fact) right in front of me, because I am living in the Norwegian mountains beside a lake I row and swim in, and in the winter I sometimes do my interval training on the snowcovered ice. -I am a very spoiled white privileged male that yes can feel tranquil and at peace with mother nature. And interestingly (for you, I think): The mobile and internet coverage up here in the mountains is on it’s best dotty and unstable…
But I also feel a strong pain -over all the kids that are beaten and abused. And when I read about your Jesus I at least think I sense a lot of pain in him (at least in some of the writings) over all the violence in the world.
In mainstream psychology and human research the effects of abuse are often described twofold:
1. Beaten and abused children suffer the rest of their lives. Some take their own lives, some don’t function fully in their adult lives, but quite a lot do -but sometimes being overwhelmed by pain, sometimes loving life…
2. Psychological research has revealed another group / reaction on abuse (See f.x Alice Miller’s books about Hitler’s and other mass murder’s childhood): Quite a few victims side with the offenders against the little child inside themselves that was abused. Hitler for instance sided with his father’s beatings of the little Adolf, even the severe ones that almost killed him…
The psychological theory is this: Some victims try to escape their own sufferings by disassociate and betray the sensitive child inside themselves, and side with the perpetrator, simply because it’s better to be a perpetrator with power than a suffering victim. And thus these victims themselves choose to be perpetrators: “Love is beating the ones you love”. But the problem is also this: Being abused will always in some sense cause hate, but when you side with your perpetrator you can’t hate him -you therefore have to place your hate elsewhere -it can be against your own children, partner or other groups in the society…
Some more important research from psychologists/ sociologists: In families with abuse / violence there are more common that at least one (very often the majority) of the abused siblings denies the abuse or downplay the violence, than uncommon. Mainstream psychological theories also stress that violence towards children doesn’t make them more abiding to the law or peace, but clearly the opposite… They stress that raising children, also “demanding” children, successfully can be done in a firm, but loving and nonviolent way.
Can I suggest a therapy service - possibly that one heavily advocated by a number of youtube channels (BetterH***)? Your posts here don't contribute to discussion - rather they detract from and discourage actual discussion.
Doubly so, in this thread about a sensitive discussion about an ongoing criminal case.
Actually no I'm contributing passionately to discussion because I'm really here to change lives and mindsets and bring mankind to the 'NEXT LEVEL' you feeling me sir???
Please let me know what form of therapy I need? Do you mean bio-photo-modulation or something sir?????
"Spanking" is a misleading description. The correct description (as you likely know) is "hitting children". Doesn't sound so nice though.
Doesn't even have to be hitting, i.e pinching your kid would be illegal in Norway.
Oh yes I was pinched by my father a ton as a child, you won't ever dare guess how red and swollen my skin was darling!!!!! But on hindsight, I recognized the value of the pinches and definitely found nothing criminal about it!!!!
Hopefully Gjert gets the punishment he deserves, and doesn't abuse Jakob's youngest brother.
We don’t know that Gjert deserves any punishment because we don’t know if he’s guilty or if Jakob is lying. The fact that Jakob has had three long interrogations makes me question the veracity of his statements.
How about we hope that justice is served?
No, you’re American; and don’t understand the way these things are approached.
The oldest of the Ingebrigtsen siblings, Kristoffer, 36 years old, breaks the silence for the first time about his father Gjert Ingebrigtsen in an interview (in agreement with Jakob, Henrik, Filip and Ingrid). The interview is behind a paywall, but the first page is open for public reading. Here’s the link, I will translate via Google translate in my next post:
The oldest of the Ingebrigtsen siblings, Kristoffer, 36 years old, breaks the silence for the first time about his father Gjert Ingebrigtsen in an interview (in agreement with Jakob, Henrik, Filip and Ingrid). The interview is behind a paywall, but the first page is open for public reading. Here’s the link, I will translate via Google translate in my next post:
The eldest Ingebrigtsen brother never planned to give his version of what happened in the running family in Sandnes. But then he changed his mind.
He took a stranglehold on me with both his hands.
Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen about his father: I thought he would kill me.
One of the first bad childhood memories Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen (36) has is about his little brother:
- Henrik was only two or three years old and had done something wrong. I was six. Gjert stood with his leg on top of his head, and sort of pressed down, while Henrik lay on the floor and kicked his legs. I told that in the police questioning as well.
- Are you sure you remember that?
- It's burned into the mind.. It's not like, at the age of 36, I think: "Oh, now I remember something that happened 30 years ago". I've remembered it every day since. It's like that with the worst things. You don't forget them.
- Did you ever go to a teacher or someone else you could trust and tell them about the situation at home?
- No. I never thought it could be an option. And what kind of situation was it really? A father who was hyper? I just call him the general. It had a military feel about it.
- Do you think today that it would have been a matter for child protection service?
- Oh my God, yes. There are many forms of violence. I don't think I ever had control over my own life until I was almost an adult. People can't understand what it's like to grow up in fear of everything.
Not just a coaching conflict
In the TV series Team Ingebrigtsen, you can see him cycling around as a "hare" / pacer for the running brothers. Today he works as a senior manager in a law firm in Stavanger.
Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen is not the most famous of the high-profile sibling group. But Kristoffer is the oldest. He was the first to start running, and the first child Gjert Ingebrigtsen became a coach for.
It's been a long time since he walked around worrying about his father's mood. But the 36-year-old can still remember the smell of his breath.
- He should always be so close to you and scream. Then you felt his breath smell, explains Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen.
Gjert Ingebrigtsen has not commented on the specific events that appear in this article. Through his defenders, he denies that he has done anything criminal to his children.
In 2022, the running brothers Jakob, Henrik and Filip Ingebrigtsen broke off their collaboration with their father and coach over many years. Last year, they wrote in a statement in VG that Gjert Ingebrigtsen had used threats and violence in his upbringing.
Then two days earlier the father had told his version of the conflict in Abid Raja and Nadia Ansar's podcast. There he lamented that he had mixed the conflicting roles of father and coach, and that their dad disappeared.
But he didn't get into violence.
The brothers did not intend to say more than they did in VG. But then the father continued as coach for competitor Narve Gilje Nordås, and the sons had to meet Gjert in the championship.
- It feels as if he has been allowed to set the conditions, says Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen.
He feels that what the brothers told has been downplayed.
- But this is not about some runners and a coach who split up.
This is a settlement of bad behavior on his part. With all that entails.
The success factory
"Gjert Ingebrigtsen has built a successful factory. With total self-awareness, he sees opportunities where others have long since given up," says Gjert Ingebrigtsen's website.
Since 2016, he and his wife have profiled family life through five seasons of Team Ingebrigtsen on NRK. Both have written books about their roles as parents and coaches. In 2019, Gjert received the award for Coach of the Year at the Sports Gala. In recent years, he has earned many millions of kroner.
The running brothers' statement in VG led to the police opening a case and starting an investigation. In April this year, the father of seven was prosecuted for abuse in close relationships by his daughter. Jakob's case is still being investigated, but the cases of several other siblings have been dropped depending on the state of the evidence.
Gjert Ingebrigtsen's defenders, Heidi Reisvang and John Christian Elden, remind that their client will appear in court at some point.
- He denies any criminal behavior towards his children and expects fair treatment when the case comes before a court, they write to Aftenposten.
Read their full response below.
Embarrassed and embarrassed
It is Kristoffer who is said to have experienced the worst things Gjert Ingebrigtsen was reported for. But these conditions date back more than ten years and are therefore outdated. Gjert Ingebrigtsen is thus not prosecuted for what his son tells about in this article. His experiences will never be dealt with in a separate trial.
- It's still good that people know, Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen thinks.
- When Gjert is exalted as a God in all directions, as he was for a while, he in some ways only gets worse.
Kristoffer Ingebrigtsen has received a number of media requests. Aftenposten met him for an interview in June. He is the only source for several of the incidents he tells about, when he was alone with his father.
But when he now talks about his upbringing in public, he does so in consultation with his siblings, who have broken up with their coach father. Henrik, Jakob, Filip and the little sister are familiar with the content of this case and support what the brother tells Aftenposten.
Many people have wanted to hear this story, says Kristoffer.
- But I haven't told.
- Why not?
- I don't know exactly, but it's a bit shameful. Almost a little embarrassing. We are brought up that boys don't cry / drop tears. You just have to stick with it and endure anything.
Not even their spouses have known about everything he tells in this interview.
The interview continues behind a paywall.
This post was edited 16 minutes after it was posted.
Well I bet all of the LRC's armchair experts belittling Jakob and Norway for being so "soft" feel like real assholes right now.
JK they're mentally ill incels who'll find another absurd way to square their cognitive dissonance
How in the world did this "if I haven't seen it or expierenced it it cam't be real" attitude become so pervasive? What do electrons not exist either? (Actually these people routinely vote for the natural sciences to be defunded so...)
This is my best effort at summing up some of the paywalled section of the article - note that it goes much more in-depth than this, and there is an accompanying podcast, where the first episode was released at the same time:
* Being forcibly fed (I assume if they didn't finish their meal), until they regurgitated the food. * Forcibly giving a 2-3 year old Ingrid cold showers to "cure" her night terrors. * Being hit in the face during a long run/half marathon with his dad, because he had an attack (assumed anxiety). * When Kristoffer spoke up on another run, saying he didn't want to be a top/elite athlete, he was hit in a fashion that landed him on a road with traffic, rather than sidewalk/walkway. * He further describes an episode where Henrik was making a ruckus was sent (or went, the article is unclear) to his room. Gjert followed, and Henrik immediately stopped making noise. When Kristoffer went up to the room, he found an apathetic Henrik, with a nosebleed, arms down, and Gjert going to get paper towels. * In an episode where Kristoffer was 15-16, he said "no" to helping during the first of May. At this time, Gjert took a strangle hold on him, lifting him up. When screaming for his mum to stop him, she said "Not so hard, Gjert". After this, Gjert carried him to the living room, and threw him across the room.
The final episode he describes is the 2022 episode (where Gjert allegedly hit/whipped Ingrid with a towel) - where he got a call from Henrik saying that his father had lost it, and that he had to do something - Ingrid was alone at home with Gjert, and he had, according to the conversation hit her with a towel. Kristoffer brought a baseball bat over to their house (but left it at the door), where he shoved Gjert in the chest, and told him "Enough is enough. This will have consequences for you". After this episode, Ingrid moved to Kristoffer's house, and lived there for a while.
This is my best effort at summing up some of the paywalled section of the article - note that it goes much more in-depth than this, and there is an accompanying podcast, where the first episode was released at the same time:
* Being forcibly fed (I assume if they didn't finish their meal), until they regurgitated the food. * Forcibly giving a 2-3 year old Ingrid cold showers to "cure" her night terrors. * Being hit in the face during a long run/half marathon with his dad, because he had an attack (assumed anxiety). * When Kristoffer spoke up on another run, saying he didn't want to be a top/elite athlete, he was hit in a fashion that landed him on a road with traffic, rather than sidewalk/walkway. * He further describes an episode where Henrik was making a ruckus was sent (or went, the article is unclear) to his room. Gjert followed, and Henrik immediately stopped making noise. When Kristoffer went up to the room, he found an apathetic Henrik, with a nosebleed, arms down, and Gjert going to get paper towels. * In an episode where Kristoffer was 15-16, he said "no" to helping during the first of May. At this time, Gjert took a strangle hold on him, lifting him up. When screaming for his mum to stop him, she said "Not so hard, Gjert". After this, Gjert carried him to the living room, and threw him across the room.
The final episode he describes is the 2022 episode (where Gjert allegedly hit/whipped Ingrid with a towel) - where he got a call from Henrik saying that his father had lost it, and that he had to do something - Ingrid was alone at home with Gjert, and he had, according to the conversation hit her with a towel. Kristoffer brought a baseball bat over to their house (but left it at the door), where he shoved Gjert in the chest, and told him "Enough is enough. This will have consequences for you". After this episode, Ingrid moved to Kristoffer's house, and lived there for a while.
My God Kristoffer is brave to speak out.
Any Internet hardman who diminishes this story would want to take a long hard look at themselves and perhaps reassess some values they hold.
Well done to Kristoffer, Jakob, Henrik, Fillip and Ingrid. May they find happiness
This post was edited 7 minutes after it was posted.
This is my best effort at summing up some of the paywalled section of the article - note that it goes much more in-depth than this, and there is an accompanying podcast, where the first episode was released at the same time:
* Being forcibly fed (I assume if they didn't finish their meal), until they regurgitated the food. * Forcibly giving a 2-3 year old Ingrid cold showers to "cure" her night terrors. * Being hit in the face during a long run/half marathon with his dad, because he had an attack (assumed anxiety). * When Kristoffer spoke up on another run, saying he didn't want to be a top/elite athlete, he was hit in a fashion that landed him on a road with traffic, rather than sidewalk/walkway. * He further describes an episode where Henrik was making a ruckus was sent (or went, the article is unclear) to his room. Gjert followed, and Henrik immediately stopped making noise. When Kristoffer went up to the room, he found an apathetic Henrik, with a nosebleed, arms down, and Gjert going to get paper towels. * In an episode where Kristoffer was 15-16, he said "no" to helping during the first of May. At this time, Gjert took a strangle hold on him, lifting him up. When screaming for his mum to stop him, she said "Not so hard, Gjert". After this, Gjert carried him to the living room, and threw him across the room.
The final episode he describes is the 2022 episode (where Gjert allegedly hit/whipped Ingrid with a towel) - where he got a call from Henrik saying that his father had lost it, and that he had to do something - Ingrid was alone at home with Gjert, and he had, according to the conversation hit her with a towel. Kristoffer brought a baseball bat over to their house (but left it at the door), where he shoved Gjert in the chest, and told him "Enough is enough. This will have consequences for you". After this episode, Ingrid moved to Kristoffer's house, and lived there for a while.
The thread title needs to be changed. Jakob is not a criminal suspect. He was not "interrogated". He was interviewed by police as a complainant in relation to their investigations.
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