Huge advantage for Jakob is that he will likely have pacers for 1000-1200m, depending who they can get to rabbit. He should have much more left in the tank that final 300 meters where he makes the other runners hurt. Yes, Hocker might be able to still hold on, but Jakobs last 150 in a rabbited race is unmatched to anyone.
Absolutely no chance that a pacer can make it 1200 meters at 3:26 pace.
I have been curious if they would allow pacers who dope to pace the race. If not I think it would take some wizardry to find someone able to pace it. Like what sub 3:30 guy wants to pace rather than race? Maybe as a hard single set workout?
I have been curious if they would allow pacers who dope to pace the race. If not I think it would take some wizardry to find someone able to pace it. Like what sub 3:30 guy wants to pace rather than race? Maybe as a hard single set workout?
McSweyn did Jakob a favor by pacing him to 1200 in Silesia last year, as a workout effort like you indicated. Though it seems he only did it because he was getting back into shape
Analyzed the Olympic slump - found startling figures Triathlon coach Olav Aleksander Bu has analyzed the 1500 meter race for Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen. The conclusion is surprising. On Saturday evening, the Norwegian runner king will avenge Tuesday's huge setback - and run in the Olympic final of 5000 metres. And the reigning world champion over the distance is unlikely to use the same tactics as he did in the 1500 metres. Olav Aleksander Bu is both a researcher and trainer for the triathlete Kristian Blummenfelt. Over the years, he has, among other things, made scientific measurements on how profitable it is to run in the drag of a hare. When asked by TV 2, he took on the challenge of finding out how much time Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen "lost" by being at the front in the 1500 meters where he ended up outside the podium - and not least how much the competitors gained from being behind. AIR RESISTANCE CALCULATED: Olav Aleksander Bu is a researcher and trainer for Gustav Iden and Kristian Blummenfelt. Photo: Markus Engås / TV 2 - We made some models of this when we worked on the sub 7 project for Kristian Blummenfelt and Gustav Iden at Ironman. Then we were allowed to use hares, and quickly found out that there is a significant difference in lying behind another. Also running, Bu tells TV 2. And after spending some time inserting the height, weight and shoulder width of Ingebrigtsen into the model, he quickly arrived at figures that give clear answers to how much the Norwegian lost due to his tactical choice. The first thing Bu calculated was the average speed of the race time 3:28.24. - The average speed is then 25.92 km/hour. This amounts to 7.2 meters per second. In air resistance, this amounts to 15.4 Newtons, or 1.6 kilograms of force. In that case, speed variation or position is not taken into account. But to make it easier for the common man to understand how much air resistance is at that speed, Bu uses the term watt, which is commonly used in bicycles. - The air resistance of 26 km/h thus amounts to more than 110 watts, explains Bu. - The boys think of him every time they cycle If you want to know for yourself how much the resistance makes up in effect, you can simply set the resistance on a normal ergometer bicycle to 110 Watt. It will feel good even for well-trained exercisers. Or: - The simplest image we can use for this is if someone took a rope around your waist and attached a fish scale to the rope. Then they'd hold you back while you ran until the scale read about 1.6 kilos. It's noticeable - especially when you run up to your maximum speed, he says. Saves a lot on lying behind The calculations by Bu and the triathlon gang also gave an answer to how much it pays to lie behind a hare. - You reduce air resistance by 70-80 per cent lying behind a hare at 1,500 metres. Or in this case the air resistance will have been reduced from about 110 to just over 40 Watts. That is significant, says the researcher. Bu has also calculated how much faster Ingebrigtsen could have run if he had done the same race, and used the same amount of power - with a hare in front of him. - It is a bit difficult to assess as we do not have an exact model of Jakob, but it is about two seconds in the 1500 metres. - In other words, would Jakob Ingebrigtsen have been very close to the world record of 3:26.00? - Yes, you can say that. Bu also believes that the feeling and the mental play a big role in whether you lie as one or two when you run at speeds as high as 26 km/h. - Definitely. You will notice a big difference if you go from lying second to lying first. You know that well. In addition: - The winner Cole Hocker also benefits from the fact that he is mostly third or fourth in a row throughout almost the entire race. Those in his position will feel even less air resistance than the person directly behind. The difference is not as great as between one and two, but it is measurable. DROUGHT THE COMPETITORS: The numbers show that Cole Hocker (at the back of the picture) got the optimal run behind both Jakob Asserson Ingebrigtsen (in front) and Josh Kerr (in the middle). Photo: Daniel Sannum Lauten / TV 2. - Tactics and strategy Even though he has a coaching background, Bu does not want to say too much about the race of the Norwegian running king. - As a trainer. How good do you think it is to run 3:28 solo? - I haven't really made up my mind about it. This will be a theoretical review. Besides, the Olympics are not just about physiology. It is also about tactics and strategy, he says and elaborates. - If everyone had run a solo race, it would have been directly comparable. But because they run in a group, tactics become central, concludes Bu. PS! Jakob Ingebrigtsen has won two straight golds in both the EC and WC in the 5000 metres. In all of these races, he has been at the back of the field along the way, only to overtake the competitors in the sprint.
Seems credible. If running behind someone the whole way is roughly 2 seconds then Jakob got about 1.3 seconds of benefit from the pacing in Monaco (if only counting air resistance - there may be psychological benefits as well).
If you deduct 1.3 seconds from the Paris time you get 3:26.9. So the Paris run would have been equivalent of running 3:26.9 in a normally paced race with 1000 m of pacing.
Of course in Paris Jakob's pacing wasn't optimal as it is probably better to go out in 55.5-56 the first lap instead of 54.9 so that you don't start to produce lactate right from the start.
Fair enough. I just think he has squeezed every last ounce of the 1500 this year, could he run a 1000, or move to 3K? I don't know. I guess people want to see him again at 15, I have seen 6, so he could move an event or so either side.
He is running 3k in Silesia Aug 25.th…
Jakob is running 3k in Silesia. But maybe you meant Cole? Sorry I misunderstood and misinformed…
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Hocker has the same advantage - and then some. Same as in the olympic final.
OG gold medalist / Iron man winner Blummenfelt’s coach Bu (who also is an engineer) did a research to estimate Jakob’s time loss from front running in the OG final: His estimate was 2 sec to Kerr and a little more to Hocker…
I think Jakob knows that he might lose some time by front running. But I also think he thinks that he can get some of this time back by thus getting a very good opportunity to modulate his stride and pace perfectly. But in OG he screwed up, and lost paradoxically both because of the draft loss, but also because of his own very bad pace / opening…
jakob is pursuing the ideal of the perfect race, the perfect day when it all comes together. i'm loving it
I don’t think Hocker needs any DL points. They gave out byes to Niels Laros and Hocker(American bye) last year. Hocker being the Olympic champ should automatically get him in the DL final.
Yes it's possible they would do that, but they'd only have one global guy to give it to right? And then they'd be picking between Kerr and Hocker potentially?
they'd bend the rules for sure to get both of them
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