While all the goons defecate on this thread, herein lies a diamond in the gutter.
Logic based upon facts amidst a sea of sewage.
Good one, AnActualBrit. Expected no less from one well educated.
Keep posting.
Ben Pattison ran 1:54.52 at age 14, and as an adult 1:42.27. Max Burgin ran 1:53.1 at age 14, and as an adult 1:43.50. Tom McKean ran 1:58.6 at age 14, and as an adult 1:43.88, without super shoes, on 1980s tracks. Michael Rimmer ran 1:55.56 at age 14, and as an adult 1:43.89, without super shoes. Archie Davis ran 1:58.80 at age 14, and as an adult 1:44.72. Thomas Randolph ran 1:58.14 at age 14, and as an adult 1:44.88.
Josh Kerr ran 1:59.37 / 4:05.26 at age 14, and as an adult 1:45.35 / 3:27.79. Mohamed Farah ran 4:06.41 at age 14, and as an adult 3:28.81, without super shoes.
Melissa Courtney-Bryant ran 4:27.9 at age 14, and as an adult 3:58.01 / 8:37.74 / 14:53.82. Jo Pavey ran 4:27.9 at age 14, and as an adult 4:01.79 / 8:31.27 / 14:39.96, without super shoes.
Your user name makes your partiality clear. You will try to argue whatever you can to suggest she is clean, because you have to believe it.
Your endless figures do nothing to explain how a 30 year old athlete dropped 14 seconds in a year to become of the fastest in history in her event. It is the absolute outlier. I doubt that there has been a top athlete achieving a comparable improvement over that distance in such a short period. It is almost twice the improvement that Katir made. She would be running 3:48 (she soon may) and you would still spout an attempted justification for it on the basis of "talent". All championship athletes have talent, but off the charts improvements speak of doping.
Exactly, a dormant talent that can compete with a generational talent like Kipyegon after 6 months of training in her 30's 😆
I called her out on one of her IG glory posts. So much clueless adoration on there — I couldn’t take it. I encourage more to do the same, although I’m sure someone scrubs it clean for her.
On the one hand, I've followed the sport closely for almost 40 years (LA '84 being my earliest memories and hooked ever since) and like to think I have a decent eye for what is "suspicious".
However, I am also British and with that in mind will openly admit to having closely followed what Georgia Bell has done over the last year or 2 with wide eyed amazement and admiration, fully believing all of it. And I still feel that way, as she presents as an entirely credible, genuine and, significantly, exceptionally talented individual (and there has been more than enough exposure for even the casual observer to make that determination).
All that said, had she been from another country, the bare numbers would seem outrageous to me and I wouldn't believe it for a second.
Just my own thoughts, make of it what you will. I still think it's more than likely that she's clean and an outlier, the like of which I don't think we've ever seen before (at her age, certainly). So I can entirely understand the doubts
At age 21, I had small college PRs of 1:48 and 3:46 set in the dark ages of running (mid 90s). I had high school PRs of 1:54 and 4:14 (1600). I dealt with a chronic foot injury throughout college and could only manage about 20 mpw with x-training replacing all my longer distance runs. It goes without saying that I never doped — wasn’t even a consideration back then by me or anyone that I knew of.
After graduation, I began a career and eventually a family. I didn’t run seriously for almost 10 years, and none for the next 5 years, although I kept in decent shape with other sports.
Then, in my mid-30s, I started running seriously again. It took me 3 years to get back to my old college weight and build up to 2-3x the mileage that I was ever able to run in college. No injury issues at all.
Although I couldn’t touch my middle distance PRs — unable to break 2:00 or 4:30 — I PRed in everything else from 5k (14:45) up to the 10k (31:15) and marathon (2:39). I far surpassed my own expectations and goals. My old college teammates seemed impressed. Training took so much time up that my wife made me dial it way back down.
The point is — I don’t think my backstory is a whole lot different than GBs. We both showed early talent, ran decently in college, suffered injuries, fell short of goals, and then disappeared from serious running for a long time. Then we both gave it the old college try again.
The difference is that she improved her 1500 PR by 20 seconds in an event that I couldn’t even touch. I would’ve had to run sub 3:30 yet couldn’t even touch 4:15. The difference is orders of magnitude and can only be explained with chemical help.
She’s a drug cheat, folks. You cannot say anything that will change my mind.
On the one hand, I've followed the sport closely for almost 40 years (LA '84 bring my earliest memories and hooked ever since) and like to think I have a decent eye for what is "suspicious".
However, I am also British and with that in mind will openly admit to having closely followed what Georgia Bell has done over the last year or 2 with wide eyed amazement and admiration, fully believing all of it. And I still feel that way, as she presents as an entirely credible, genuine and, significantly, exceptionally talented individual (and there has been more than enough exposure for even the casual observer to make that determination).
All that said, had she been from another country, the bare numbers would seem outrageous to me and I wouldn't believe it for a second.
Just my own thoughts, make of it what you will. I still think it's more than likely that she's clean and an outlier, the like of which I don't think we've ever seen before (at her age, certainly). So I can entirely understand the doubts
So if a 14 seconds improvement in a year at 30 to one of the fastest in history doesn't suggest doping to you, what would? (Katir achieved 8 secs.)
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Pathetic isn’t it that a 78yr old has to be told to focus,stay on message, stop juvenile antics. Next they’ll be telling him to remember to change his drawers.
At age 21, I had small college PRs of 1:48 and 3:46 set in the dark ages of running (mid 90s). I had high school PRs of 1:54 and 4:14 (1600). I dealt with a chronic foot injury throughout college and could only manage about 20 mpw with x-training replacing all my longer distance runs. It goes without saying that I never doped — wasn’t even a consideration back then by me or anyone that I knew of.
After graduation, I began a career and eventually a family. I didn’t run seriously for almost 10 years, and none for the next 5 years, although I kept in decent shape with other sports.
Then, in my mid-30s, I started running seriously again. It took me 3 years to get back to my old college weight and build up to 2-3x the mileage that I was ever able to run in college. No injury issues at all.
Although I couldn’t touch my middle distance PRs — unable to break 2:00 or 4:30 — I PRed in everything else from 5k (14:45) up to the 10k (31:15) and marathon (2:39). I far surpassed my own expectations and goals. My old college teammates seemed impressed. Training took so much time up that my wife made me dial it way back down.
The point is — I don’t think my backstory is a whole lot different than GBs. We both showed early talent, ran decently in college, suffered injuries, fell short of goals, and then disappeared from serious running for a long time. Then we both gave it the old college try again.
The difference is that she improved her 1500 PR by 20 seconds in an event that I couldn’t even touch. I would’ve had to run sub 3:30 yet couldn’t even touch 4:15. The difference is orders of magnitude and can only be explained with chemical help.
She’s a drug cheat, folks. You cannot say anything that will change my mind.
All these sad old men getting so worked up about a woman running faster than them, funny to watch.
What is more interesting is a 30 year old woman with no previous accomplishments of any note in the sport becoming an Olympic medallist in a year with an unmatched improvement at that level in that period of time. She almost doubled Katir's performance jump.
On the one hand, I've followed the sport closely for almost 40 years (LA '84 bring my earliest memories and hooked ever since) and like to think I have a decent eye for what is "suspicious".
However, I am also British and with that in mind will openly admit to having closely followed what Georgia Bell has done over the last year or 2 with wide eyed amazement and admiration, fully believing all of it. And I still feel that way, as she presents as an entirely credible, genuine and, significantly, exceptionally talented individual (and there has been more than enough exposure for even the casual observer to make that determination).
All that said, had she been from another country, the bare numbers would seem outrageous to me and I wouldn't believe it for a second.
Just my own thoughts, make of it what you will. I still think it's more than likely that she's clean and an outlier, the like of which I don't think we've ever seen before (at her age, certainly). So I can entirely understand the doubts
So if a 14 seconds improvement in a year at 30 to one of the fastest in history doesn't suggest doping to you, what would? (Katir achieved 8 secs.)
I already said that the numbers, in and of themselves, are outrageous to me and that I typically wouldn't believe them, but then also explained why in this instance I feel differently.
You disagree and that's fine, I completely understand why.
I'm not sure how else you expect me you answer your question?
She obviously has a lot more talent than you and all the losers on this site.
Not according to IAAF points. Her 4:12 in college and 3:46/1:48 are pretty comparable. Her recent 1500 of 3:52, however, is in a different stratosphere and is equivalent to a male or running 3:28. All that after a 5 year layoff at age 30.
When does the time an athlete runs at 14 tell us what they will achieve at 20 - or 30? It doesn't. No time at 14 tells us that a female runner will achieve 3:52 at 30 - after an improvement of 14 secs in a year. How many talented 14 year olds become an Olympic medallist? This post does nothing more than suggest that top international ability is only possible with talent. That isn't disputed. What it doesn't tell us is when doping has provided a boost to that talent - as it often does today in a sport rife with doping.
Athing Mu Age 13: 2:10.18 / 4:38.72 Age 14: 56.02 Age 19: 49.57 Age 21: 1:54.97 / 4:03.44
Keely Hodgkinson Age 14: 2:12.53 / 4:47.10 Age 22: 51.61 / 1:54.61
Georgia Bell Age 14: 2:08.81 / 4:35.91 / 10:22.07 Age 30: 1:56.28 / 3:52.61 / 8:42.16
So if a 14 seconds improvement in a year at 30 to one of the fastest in history doesn't suggest doping to you, what would? (Katir achieved 8 secs.)
I already said that the numbers, in and of themselves, are outrageous to me and that I typically wouldn't believe them, but then also explained why in this instance I feel differently.
You disagree and that's fine, I completely understand why.
I'm not sure how else you expect me you answer your question?
I asked if an "outrageous" improvement doesn't lead you to a conclusion of doping what would? A really outrageous improvement?
When does the time an athlete runs at 14 tell us what they will achieve at 20 - or 30? It doesn't. No time at 14 tells us that a female runner will achieve 3:52 at 30 - after an improvement of 14 secs in a year. How many talented 14 year olds become an Olympic medallist? This post does nothing more than suggest that top international ability is only possible with talent. That isn't disputed. What it doesn't tell us is when doping has provided a boost to that talent - as it often does today in a sport rife with doping.
Athing Mu Age 13: 2:10.18 / 4:38.72 Age 14: 56.02 Age 19: 49.57 Age 21: 1:54.97 / 4:03.44
Keely Hodgkinson Age 14: 2:12.53 / 4:47.10 Age 22: 51.61 / 1:54.61
Georgia Bell Age 14: 2:08.81 / 4:35.91 / 10:22.07 Age 30: 1:56.28 / 3:52.61 / 8:42.16
A constant progression by two Olympic champions into their early twenties is the same as doing nothing in the sport for over a decade and then basically getting off the couch at age 30 to carve 14 seconds off their best time to become an Olympic medallist behind the world record holder? And all in just one year. Are you dishonest or merely dim?
The difference is orders of magnitude and can only be explained with chemical help.
Not saying she’s is clean, but a 30 year old woman is a lot closer to her peak than a mid-to-late-30s man is to his 18-27 year old self. Women don’t have the downturn in performance the way men do by 35.
The difference is orders of magnitude and can only be explained with chemical help.
Not saying she’s is clean, but a 30 year old woman is a lot closer to her peak than a mid-to-late-30s man is to his 18-27 year old self. Women don’t have the downturn in performance the way men do by 35.
So men age faster past 30. And what is the science that supports that?
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All that said, had she been from another country, the bare numbers would seem outrageous to me and I wouldn't believe it for a second.
So why do you believe it then? That sentence alone should have every poster defending Bell in this thread asking themselves the same question, yet we get nothing but deflection and emotional arguments. Enough said.