His fans don't seem smart enough to understand basic rules. And they aren't willing to accept that his times are his times.
Nope, I think people get it. Doesn’t mean they have to like it.
the ranking system has a lot of flaws — eg more points depending on prize money for the events, NACAC getting bonus points (which is why Jager, who hasn’t run near 8:15 in years, somehow was in the quota), differences between events (in the marathon if a country unlocks spots they can send any three, but on the track not so).
my 3yo son makes up “rules” when we play games and I know the rules. That doesn’t mean they make sense or are fair
I complain whenever my basketball team loses due to the other team making more 3 pointers. I hate 3 pointers. It isn't fair. We should go back to only 2 pointers. I hate the rules. My friends tell me not to watch if I don't like the rules.
I complain whenever my basketball team loses due to the other team making more 3 pointers. I hate 3 pointers. It isn't fair. We should go back to only 2 pointers. I hate the rules. My friends tell me not to watch if I don't like the rules.
I'm not debating about the rules here but about your pedantic stance that he "isn't fast enough". Maybe he doesn't deserve to go because he didn't actually do what WA required, but he most certainly IS capable of running sub 13:05. He IS fast enough, he has not had the opportunity to demonstrate that with his current fitness.
If you can't understand that he is in sub 13:05 shape and likely much more you are simply just an old head who doesn't understand that there is such a thing as "conditions" and "pacing" that can influence your "time".
I have no comment on the sour grapes stuff... but in no way was Parker robbed. Can we just agree to that? Whether you like the rules or not, they were the rules and what he had to work with. This is our sport. No matter what level you competed at there are time standards that need to constantly be met. Whether its to get into an invitational, advance out of a heat, or qualify for the Olympics. Whether you like it or not, time standards are something that we deal with all the time. Our qualification system for the Olympics is not first 3 across the line. Its first 3 across the line WITH THE STANDARD. If you don't have the standard going into the Trials, you need to go for it during the race. Parker should have known what he needed and gone with Grant. He had a shot to move up his world rankings with a sfaster time or to auto qualilfy with a 13:03 or whatever. He didn't do it. Coming in top 3 is irrelevant without the time.
If you go back to Graham's interviews from the winter, he was very clear that the BU race was an attempt to get the Olympic standard out of the way. He knew what he had to do way back then... how did Parker (or his coach) not understand what HE needed to do? Its bizarre. It sucks. But its not unfair. Quite frankly, Parker doesn't deserve to go. Its not about place. Its about time first, and then place. That's the system until either a) USATF only accepts into the meet those that have a qualifying time for the Olympics or b) the Olympics change their approach to not care about a minimum time standard for certain countries who have displayed historic greatness in their team selection. The latter is too subjective. I think there should be time minimums. I actually think the first solution is the best. Only accept into the Trials those with the Olympic Standard.
I don’t think it makes sense to only accept standard-holders into the Trials, especially when WA doesn’t require the standard since it has the ranking method as well. But to your major point about Wolfe not get screwed / knowing the rules, I agree, I really can’t believe how many people have opined on this issue without understanding how any of this works. So many people saying USATF should send Wolfe or is screwing him over in favor of Blanks. Wolfe literally did not qualify for the Olympics. He came achingly close to getting in by ranking but just missed. There are some field events where we’re only sending one to entrants and it’s for the exact same reason.
Valby ran the standard. Women steeplers ran the standard. Wolfe had many opportunities. You sound ridiculous to claim that he's faster than his PR. He isn't fast enough. That is a fact. Facts seem to upset you.
Valby ran the standard. Women steeplers ran the standard. Wolfe had many opportunities. You sound ridiculous to claim that he's faster than his PR. He isn't fast enough. That is a fact. Facts seem to upset you.
So Grant Fisher can only run 13:08 right now? Since that's what he ran at the trials, and Wolfe was 2 seconds behind him and closed 2 seconds faster over the final 400m (55 vs. 57).
You don't know as much about running as you think you do. You have to apply some critical analysis. This whole "tough guy" thing about how you are exactly what your PR is, is complete nonsense.
I complain whenever my basketball team loses due to the other team making more 3 pointers. I hate 3 pointers. It isn't fair. We should go back to only 2 pointers. I hate the rules. My friends tell me not to watch if I don't like the rules.
Valby ran the standard. Women steeplers ran the standard. Wolfe had many opportunities. You sound ridiculous to claim that he's faster than his PR. He isn't fast enough. That is a fact. Facts seem to upset you.
post-injury graham blanks is apparently not fast enough either
also just checked out Parker's insta for the first time to see what foxy was fussing about -- uh, his current story is a photo of Graham Blanks with Graham tagged that says "no one better to toe the line <3"
His OT post says:
Onward on they say… First man out of making the Olympic team after coming 3rd at Trials is a different kind of hurt. But we had a great season and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. We have so much more to come. Fuel for the fire
This 20yo college kid is more mature than the OP, sheesh. What is this thread doing up, Rojo?
also just checked out Parker's insta for the first time to see what foxy was fussing about -- uh, his current story is a photo of Graham Blanks with Graham tagged that says "no one better to toe the line <3"
His OT post says:
Onward on they say… First man out of making the Olympic team after coming 3rd at Trials is a different kind of hurt. But we had a great season and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. We have so much more to come. Fuel for the fire
This 20yo college kid is more mature than the OP, sheesh. What is this thread doing up, Rojo?
They are both classy guys and friends. Leave it to let’s run to try to stir something up. Lots of respect for these two.
Found out a few days ago that I’d qualified for the US Olympic 5k team after finishing 4th at the US Olympic Trials. What an honor! I’m filling in for @parkerw19 who beat me handidly at the trials (and a couple times before that…), but due to some arbitrary numbers and rankings, was ineligible to compete at the Olympics. When that third position on the US team was still uncertain, Parker and I both agreed that whatever the outcome, we wouldn’t rather anyone else take that spot (romantic, I know). I’m certain that he’ll make plenty of teams to come.
You don't seem to understand the rules. He is fast enough because there is a window to hit the standard and build points. The Wolfe fans can't seem to grasp simple simple facts. Blanks has the time. It would have been a different race if nobody had the standard. Blanks would have run the time. Wolfe tried but failed again.
Valby ran the standard. Women steeplers ran the standard. Wolfe had many opportunities. You sound ridiculous to claim that he's faster than his PR. He isn't fast enough. That is a fact. Facts seem to upset you.
So Grant Fisher can only run 13:08 right now? Since that's what he ran at the trials, and Wolfe was 2 seconds behind him and closed 2 seconds faster over the final 400m (55 vs. 57).
You don't know as much about running as you think you do. You have to apply some critical analysis. This whole "tough guy" thing about how you are exactly what your PR is, is complete nonsense.
Yeah, that was kind of a dumb post. Btw, Valby did not run the standard in the 10,000, only the 5,000, which she is not running.
And that’s the crux of this entire debate. The subjectivity of the WA points and ranking system. No question, Wolfe didn’t run the actual standard, and he probably should’ve entered one race to try to get a crack at it. No argument there.
But, the WA clearly sees indoor marks as inferior to outdoor, which is why they will only allow one indoor race to count. If they allowed two, then Wolfe would be in on ranking. Yet, Blanks is in because he hit the standard in an *indoor* race.
Blanks did everything he was supposed to do (besides finish top three at the trials), so there’s no argument there. But the WA rankings and points needs a revamping. It’s somewhat arbitrary.
Both Blanks and Wolfe are in 13:00-13:05 shape, currently. That’s painfully obvious.
Valby ran the standard in the 5k and hit the ranking in the 10k. Her coach calculated both before the meet. Wolfe knew what the standard was also but he was unable to hit it.
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