If adding more Africans is so good for Europe, why isn't all-African Africa more developed?
can anyone answer?
Do you really care about finding out? The real answer is that it doesn't simply boil down to bLaCkZ bAd, wHiTeZ gUd; it's more complicated than that but right wingers think educating themselves is something only smug libs do.
Whites are becoming a minority in the West, right wing politics don't have a future. Even in America the teabaggers who later became Trump voters couldn't defeat Obama who was elected twice. They couldn't stop Obamacare or stop immigration.
eh not so sure about that.
an ethnic group losing demographic power goes insane and starts to pull its tribe ever tighter. Politicians know that and will use it to build coalitions and win elections. Whites will feel a tribal pull to the Rs and that will spread. It's mostly men so far but it will spread to women too.
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To answer the question in the title, clearly not. The RN have doubled their voter support in 2 years, that can be construed as many things, but certainly not the "end" of a reaction. Good news for centrists is they will probably get most of those votes back if they actually clamp down on mass immigration, that has at least been the case in other European countries.
Conceding to their demands never works.
In the UK the Reform Party's original demand was leave the EU. We did that and then they pivoted towards leaving the European single market and European customs union. We did that and now they want to tear up our other European and international agreements including the Convention on Human Rights.
There's never enough Brexit that satisfies these people.
Conceding to whose demands? Mass immigration is unpopular amongst a large base of European voters, hence why you've seen the results in the European elections and the results in national elections. Centrists adressing this is not "conceding" to anyone, it's reclaiming an important issue that voters care about instead of letting the "far right" claim it for themselves. For reference, since you seem to be stuck on Brexit. The UK for the past 3 years has had 2-3x more net immigration per year than they did pre-Brexit. This whilst immigration has consistently polled as the most important issue amongst conservative voters in the UK. Not to mention the illegal immigration issue you have. So yeah, that's why Reform got the results they did. Not because of "more Brexit", but because of an incompetent Tory party that doesn't know it's own voter base.
Whites are becoming a minority in the West, right wing politics don't have a future. Even in America the teabaggers who later became Trump voters couldn't defeat Obama who was elected twice. They couldn't stop Obamacare or stop immigration.
eh not so sure about that.
an ethnic group losing demographic power goes insane and starts to pull its tribe ever tighter. Politicians know that and will use it to build coalitions and win elections. Whites will feel a tribal pull to the Rs and that will spread. It's mostly men so far but it will spread to women too.
Blacks* are also losing population
Black population growth is stagnant and that's solely because of the growth of foreign born blacks (i.e. Africans and Carribeans) replacing natives
To answer the question in the title, clearly not. The RN have doubled their voter support in 2 years, that can be construed as many things, but certainly not the "end" of a reaction. Good news for centrists is they will probably get most of those votes back if they actually clamp down on mass immigration, that has at least been the case in other European countries.
Conceding to their demands never works.
In the UK the Reform Party's original demand was leave the EU. We did that and then they pivoted towards leaving the European single market and European customs union. We did that and now they want to tear up our other European and international agreements including the Convention on Human Rights.
There's never enough Brexit that satisfies these people.
Why are you against reform? Satisfied with the corrupt status quo?
Whites are becoming a minority in the West, right wing politics don't have a future. Even in America the teabaggers who later became Trump voters couldn't defeat Obama who was elected twice. They couldn't stop Obamacare or stop immigration.
eh not so sure about that.
an ethnic group losing demographic power goes insane and starts to pull its tribe ever tighter. Politicians know that and will use it to build coalitions and win elections. Whites will feel a tribal pull to the Rs and that will spread. It's mostly men so far but it will spread to women too.
Interesting fact regarding Le Pen's party, it's now more popular amongst women than men.
an ethnic group losing demographic power goes insane and starts to pull its tribe ever tighter. Politicians know that and will use it to build coalitions and win elections. Whites will feel a tribal pull to the Rs and that will spread. It's mostly men so far but it will spread to women too.
Interesting fact regarding Le Pen's party, it's now more popular amongst women than men.
white women are extremely racist and eugenistic. were gonna need more BMWF couples on french shows
In the UK the Reform Party's original demand was leave the EU. We did that and then they pivoted towards leaving the European single market and European customs union. We did that and now they want to tear up our other European and international agreements including the Convention on Human Rights.
There's never enough Brexit that satisfies these people.
Conceding to whose demands? Mass immigration is unpopular amongst a large base of European voters, hence why you've seen the results in the European elections and the results in national elections. Centrists adressing this is not "conceding" to anyone, it's reclaiming an important issue that voters care about instead of letting the "far right" claim it for themselves. For reference, since you seem to be stuck on Brexit. The UK for the past 3 years has had 2-3x more net immigration per year than they did pre-Brexit. This whilst immigration has consistently polled as the most important issue amongst conservative voters in the UK. Not to mention the illegal immigration issue you have. So yeah, that's why Reform got the results they did. Not because of "more Brexit", but because of an incompetent Tory party that doesn't know it's own voter base.
Ultimately migration into Europe will not cease until we have a more peaceful world. That isn't going to be fixed anytime soon (it's only going to get more volatile).
There's little European countries can do about asylum seekers - they're morally and legally bound to provide refuge to genuine asylum seekers. Approximately 80% of arrivals are deemed genuine after their case is heard.
When it comes to ordinary migration, there's a very large number of people retiring in the next 20 years and a few babies being born. The working age population is due to shrink, not increase.
We CAN reduce ordinary migration if we want, but whether is actually going to be desirable is an open question.
UK and France both swing hard to the libs despite polls, pundits, vibes predicting otherwise. What’s going on? Will the red wave ever arrive anywhere that matters?
Discus
UK is weird case because the "conservatives" are led by WEF cronies like Sunak, and the left winning was much more a rejection of the current Torries than an endorsement of the Labour party.
I think the biggest thing the left maintaining power in France shows is the power of censorship. Although conservatives decry censorship and bias in the MSM in America we do have a range of media sources. You've got media on both sides and things like X and Rumble which are almost completely unfiltered. In most European countries the government runs the media or has a heavy hand in influencing it. France for example has banned Rumble because Rumble refused to adhere to the governments censorship policies. It is much more difficult for populous movements to breakthrough when the government has extensive control over the media and flow of information.
Also for anyone trying to say what has or hasn't happened in Europe has any bearing over US politics you're flat out wrong. The US is its own animal when it comes to politics. Although the American left has many things in common with the European left, it would fit more in the European center. The American right, outside of the coastal states, has nearly nothing in common with the European right. If you look at the right in states like Texas, the midwest, or Florida there is zero resemblance to the European right.
The Whole World is going trending to the left even The Mid East, Even The LGBTQ people are starting to Vote Left, African Countries have long Been Against The Patriarchy and In Iran Trans people are even more accepted there then they are in Israel. Mexican Boxers like Saul "Canelo" Alvarez will soon change Canelo To Canelx as the 0 Would indicate Male, Spanish people with names like Roberto, Alberto, Arturo if Male Roberta if female etc are replacing The O or A With X out of Worry Example Canelo may wake up and feel like he is A Woman or Canela so to be safe they use the X, Like Tomorrow Canelo could wake up feeling like a Woman and Demand a Fight against Claressa Shields, so to be safe not knowing what Sex/Gender he will feel like being today Look for him soon to be called Canelx, Canelo is the 168 pound Male Champion but by adding the X to the end of his nickname and he could challenge and become the Woman's Champion as well, The LEFT BELIEVES in Science and Natural Law and God's Law and all of those agree, ask any Biology Teacher, You are What You Identify as.
The far right talk a lot and very loudly. The majority of voters, whom are liberal, do not. This creates the situation you see in France now, the US in 2020, and the US later this year. Conservatives think they are winning because they talk the loudest and the most. As the cool kids say, it’s an echo chamber. You get in a room with a bunch of loud mouthed conservatives and you think 100% of the population is a loudmouth conservative. You completely ignore anyone outside that echo chamber who tries to talk reasonably and provides fact based discussions that prove your echo chamber beliefs are wrong. Then you lose the election and say it’s rigged because you only communicate with other loud mouthed conservatives and don’t see that the majority of the country disagrees with loud mouthed conservatives.
One of the previous comments about this alluded to "history". Which likely means Western colonization, while leaving out the much larger part of history where Arab Muslims were attempting to colonize sub-Saharan Africa since 700 AD, and were enslaving black Africans from that time up until the early 1900s. Europeans only began to purchase black slaves in the late 1400s and it was the Arabs who informed them of this. Then Europeans ended slavery world wide with the British banning it in Iraq in 1924.
Europeans were also targeted for enslavement, especially the men to be kidnapped and forced to row oars in ships until they died of exhaustion. And the women taken to be sold as sex slaves in Arab Muslim markets. Europe managed to over come this though and is thoroughly developed even in the southern part of the continent, unlike black Africa. Europeans ALSO were not selling each other as slaves, again, unlike black Africans.
European colonization also gave modern technology to black Africa, including modern medicine which has seen their average life span go from 30 years of age up to 60. So they gained a lot but have nothing to show for it.
Slavery existed in the territory of the modern state of Iraq until the 1920s. When the area later to become the modern state of Iraq was a center of the Abbasid Caliphate (750–1258), the area was a major slave trade destinati...
Slavery existed in the territory of the modern state of Iraq until the 1920s. When the area later to become the modern state of Iraq was a center of the Abbasid Caliphate (750–1258), the area was a major slave trade destination, and slaves were imported to Iraq from the North along the Volga trade route, from the West via the Red Sea slave trade, and from the South from the Indian Ocean slave trade.
In 1921, former Ottoman Iraq was transformed in to the Kingdom of Iraq under British protection. The new Iraqi ruler was thus dependent upon support from the British, who disliked slavery. The British Empire, having signed the 1926 Slavery Convention as a member of the League of Nations, was obliged to investigate, report and fight slavery and slave trade in all land under direct or indirect control of the British Empire. Slavery was formally banned in Iraq in 1924,
One of the previous comments about this alluded to "history". Which likely means Western colonization, while leaving out the much larger part of history where Arab Muslims were attempting to colonize sub-Saharan Africa since 700 AD, and were enslaving black Africans from that time up until the early 1900s. Europeans only began to purchase black slaves in the late 1400s and it was the Arabs who informed them of this. Then Europeans ended slavery world wide with the British banning it in Iraq in 1924.
Europeans were also targeted for enslavement, especially the men to be kidnapped and forced to row oars in ships until they died of exhaustion. And the women taken to be sold as sex slaves in Arab Muslim markets. Europe managed to over come this though and is thoroughly developed even in the southern part of the continent, unlike black Africa. Europeans ALSO were not selling each other as slaves, again, unlike black Africans.
European colonization also gave modern technology to black Africa, including modern medicine which has seen their average life span go from 30 years of age up to 60. So they gained a lot but have nothing to show for it.
Slavery existed in the territory of the modern state of Iraq until the 1920s. When the area later to become the modern state of Iraq was a center of the Abbasid Caliphate (750–1258), the area was a major slave trade destination, and slaves were imported to Iraq from the North along the Volga trade route, from the West via the Red Sea slave trade, and from the South from the Indian Ocean slave trade.
In 1921, former Ottoman Iraq was transformed in to the Kingdom of Iraq under British protection. The new Iraqi ruler was thus dependent upon support from the British, who disliked slavery. The British Empire, having signed the 1926 Slavery Convention as a member of the League of Nations, was obliged to investigate, report and fight slavery and slave trade in all land under direct or indirect control of the British Empire. Slavery was formally banned in Iraq in 1924,
The left doesn't care about the truth. Nothing matters but the narrative and maintaining power.
One of the previous comments about this alluded to "history". Which likely means Western colonization, while leaving out the much larger part of history where Arab Muslims were attempting to colonize sub-Saharan Africa since 700 AD, and were enslaving black Africans from that time up until the early 1900s. Europeans only began to purchase black slaves in the late 1400s and it was the Arabs who informed them of this. Then Europeans ended slavery world wide with the British banning it in Iraq in 1924.
Europeans were also targeted for enslavement, especially the men to be kidnapped and forced to row oars in ships until they died of exhaustion. And the women taken to be sold as sex slaves in Arab Muslim markets. Europe managed to over come this though and is thoroughly developed even in the southern part of the continent, unlike black Africa. Europeans ALSO were not selling each other as slaves, again, unlike black Africans.
European colonization also gave modern technology to black Africa, including modern medicine which has seen their average life span go from 30 years of age up to 60. So they gained a lot but have nothing to show for it.
The left doesn't care about the truth. Nothing matters but the narrative and maintaining power.
But the 1100s 😡
Le Pen and her policies simply aren’t popular enough. Macron is the fiscal conservative, he was fixing France’s welfare state. Le Pen has promised to spend spend spend on welfare.
Conceding to whose demands? Mass immigration is unpopular amongst a large base of European voters, hence why you've seen the results in the European elections and the results in national elections. Centrists adressing this is not "conceding" to anyone, it's reclaiming an important issue that voters care about instead of letting the "far right" claim it for themselves. For reference, since you seem to be stuck on Brexit. The UK for the past 3 years has had 2-3x more net immigration per year than they did pre-Brexit. This whilst immigration has consistently polled as the most important issue amongst conservative voters in the UK. Not to mention the illegal immigration issue you have. So yeah, that's why Reform got the results they did. Not because of "more Brexit", but because of an incompetent Tory party that doesn't know it's own voter base.
Ultimately migration into Europe will not cease until we have a more peaceful world. That isn't going to be fixed anytime soon (it's only going to get more volatile).
There's little European countries can do about asylum seekers - they're morally and legally bound to provide refuge to genuine asylum seekers. Approximately 80% of arrivals are deemed genuine after their case is heard.
When it comes to ordinary migration, there's a very large number of people retiring in the next 20 years and a few babies being born. The working age population is due to shrink, not increase.
We CAN reduce ordinary migration if we want, but whether is actually going to be desirable is an open question.
The vast majority that arrive are economic migrants, not asylum seekers. And as far as asylum seekers go, the system is a joke. Some countries approve all applications, some approve almost none. Anyways, most countries in Europe control their migration levels, some who used to adopt mass immigration are now much stricter, because they saw the secondary effects of those policies (after just a few years of doing it mind you) and decided hell naw, we're can't deal with this.
My post was in response to someone who asked about black Africa a page or two back, I quoted it but it didn't show up at the top of my post, which is why it comes off as off topic.
As far as Le Pen goes, that's right, she is not that likeable as a candidate and she has lost several times already in the past. I looked it up and she has been running since at least 2012 and always loses. If she is controlled opposition DESIGNED to lose, it wouldn't surprise me. France does need to cut back on mass immigration and her support is over that but they will never get over that hump and win with her at the top of the ticket.
The left doesn't care about the truth. Nothing matters but the narrative and maintaining power.
But the 1100s 😡
Le Pen and her policies simply aren’t popular enough. Macron is the fiscal conservative, he was fixing France’s welfare state. Le Pen has promised to spend spend spend on welfare.
At this point Europe deserves to be the caliphate hellhole it's going to turn into.
White liberals are the first group in the history of human civilization to destroy their own cultures on purpose.
Le Pen and her policies simply aren’t popular enough. Macron is the fiscal conservative, he was fixing France’s welfare state. Le Pen has promised to spend spend spend on welfare.
At this point Europe deserves to be the caliphate hellhole it's going to turn into.
White liberals are the first group in the history of human civilization to destroy their own cultures on purpose.
Le Pen and her policies simply aren’t popular enough. Macron is the fiscal conservative, he was fixing France’s welfare state. Le Pen has promised to spend spend spend on welfare.
France has avoided disaster ... for now. But something feels different. Taking the temperature, people are more openly racist nowadays in mid-sized cities.
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