This is bizarre. As someone else said, the hamstring injury was irrelevant since she fell less than 30 seconds into the race and didn’t hurt it there.
And why call for a rerun if your athlete has a torn hamstring? Makes Kersee seem even more irrational than he already is. A hamstring injury and calling for a rerun have complete opposite connotations. None of this adds up lol.
Uppe wrote:
But Rojo I think you may be missing the point here. You are zeroing in on the specifics of Mu’s case here. That is not really germane here. If you overhaul the selection system, it may or may not be a good idea, but Mu’s specific case here is not germane because it would be impacting many athletes over the next few decades, for example. Whether the system should be overhauled is a matter of opinion, and NOBODY on earth knows the answer.
No kidding. I emphasized that days ago in another thread. It is asinine backfitting buffoonery. That's what the worst gamblers do and the worst of any profession do. They take a recent specific example and mangle the criteria until that exact instance is remedied, even if it makes no sense whatsoever in regard to the big picture or toward similar parallels.
How can anyone seriously suggest rerunning an 800 in the same sport that disqualifies a flinch at the starting blocks, or stepping barely inside the line going around the turn?
What is another runner in the same 800 inadvertently cut inside too quickly in the same race where Mu fell. Let's say it had been Akins. She won the race but was going to get disqualified anyway due to the obvious infringement. Are you going to bail her out as well, just because Mu happened to fall 10 seconds later?
That opens up all kinds of worms. Let's say Akins knew she infringed too early. "I need to do something in a hurry. I've got it...I'll trip Athing Mu."
It just doesn't work. Too many issues with backfitting rerunning crap. Worst case scenarios would happen, and then some.
I do think there is merit to advancing top 2 in every event and allowing 1 wild card pick that is only used in case of extreme situations. I've believed that for 50+ years. There wouldn't be much risk and it would save examples like Dan O'Brien 1992. The jury would understand when to apply it. It was been done a few times on the American figure skating team.
Tough sh!t...them's are the breaks!
Imagine being the 3rd place person making the team and being told well...this other runner is better than ya, your run was a fluke. SO....we're giving the spot to them!
Kersee is such a stain on this sport.
The only one whose hamstrung is Kersee. He's in the doghouse because he let Mu believe she could get away with not racing until the trials and then waltz on to Paris where she could renew her Nike deal for the next quad for a high price with no obligation to do much running.
That didn't go so well and Kersee knows he might be expendable.
WhatAreTheirCocktails wrote:
She was injured, underprepared, and her lack of tactical ability let her down in the final.
Your entire comment was excellent but I wanted to spotlight that sentence, which is the nuts and bolts of the matter. Thanks to social media we now see countless track and field athletes who share their training regime. It's remarkable how the ones who do that dependably from late October forth are the ones who stay healthy and compete frequently. Not blanket obviously, but few exceptions.
The ones who don't put in the work and rely on natural ability and late cram sessions can go either way. Mu the prodigy was eligible to quickly get back to 1:55 shape, or for something to go wrong during the all nighter.
As I posted last weekend, I'm convinced the worst thing that happened to her was winning Eugene Diamond League final last year in 1:54 high, just weeks after the bronze failure in Budapest. It put that timetable into her head and severely reduced all sense of urgency to be anywhere near 100% at the time of American trials.
honeybaked wrote:
The only one whose hamstrung is Kersee. He's in the doghouse because he let Mu believe she could get away with not racing until the trials and then waltz on to Paris where she could renew her Nike deal for the next quad for a high price with no obligation to do much running.
That didn't go so well and Kersee knows he might be expendable.
Yeah it was kinda painful reading Bobby’s takes on the matter. Look at Brandon Miller who he similarly injured now running like a world-beater away from Bobby. She got hurt and whatever your tactical coaching it is you have not cleaned up the reckless cutting in, the running on the lane 2 line, or gotten her healthy/fit enough to go out and frontrun. Complete coaching failure.
Kersee athletes keep being saved for the major champs and then missing them, not great.
Five pages of hate bating. She's already out guys. Take a break. It wouldn't surprise me if this thread was started by Rojo himself. He knows his base well.
beat the dead horse wrote:
Five pages of hate bating. She's already out guys. Take a break. It wouldn't surprise me if this thread was started by Rojo himself. He knows his base well.
Most of the posts are ripping Bobby/the agents flawed argument.
The purpose of Olympic selection trails should be to send the best athletes to the games. If it does not do that, it should be changed.
Not all events are equal. some events have more outside variables than others.
Michael Johnson claims the trails are fair. However, he never once competed in a selection trails where he wasn’t given his own lane on the track. MJ never once in his entire life ran an 800m, so he can shut the f up about his opinion on Mu. The one time MJ ran an event outside the parameters of a 200m/400m in lanes on a 400m track, he crumbled. Or the time he got food poisoning and rocked up to the start line looking like an Ethiopian marathon runner and got blown apart by lesser athletes.
The 800m, decathlon, and pole vault have more outside variables than other events. Hurdle interference from other lanes is also an issue in the short hurdles.
World champion medalists from the year before the Olympics should be given automatic selection to the Olympics on US teams. The rest of the positions can be selected at the trials.
Suck it up. Rest, rehab, focus, get over it!!! Don't screw up in 28. And BTW, don''t let your coach tell you you can't ever run the 400.
Not a yank wrote:
The purpose of Olympic selection trails should be to send the best athletes to the games. If it does not do that, it should be changed.
Not all events are equal. some events have more outside variables than others.
Michael Johnson claims the trails are fair. However, he never once competed in a selection trails where he wasn’t given his own lane on the track. MJ never once in his entire life ran an 800m, so he can shut the f up about his opinion on Mu. The one time MJ ran an event outside the parameters of a 200m/400m in lanes on a 400m track, he crumbled. Or the time he got food poisoning and rocked up to the start line looking like an Ethiopian marathon runner and got blown apart by lesser athletes.
The 800m, decathlon, and pole vault have more outside variables than other events. Hurdle interference from other lanes is also an issue in the short hurdles.
World champion medalists from the year before the Olympics should be given automatic selection to the Olympics on US teams. The rest of the positions can be selected at the trials.
How do you know it didn’t? The 3rd place finisher is a healthy NCAA Champ and 20 years old getting better with every race. Mu clearly struggles in packs and would be racing on little training even in Paris. So she can’t just frontrun and would be exceptionally vulnerable running with a bunch of 1:58 women.
annoyed track fan wrote:
Kersee the "genius" made her race on a still healing torn hamstring??
IMPEACH KERSEE
lock him up
Because Mu is the reigning Olympic champion, world silver medalist from last year and less than 12 months ago she ran a 1:54, fastest time ever run by a clean female.
Not a yank wrote:
The purpose of Olympic selection trails should be to send the best athletes to the games. If it does not do that, it should be changed.
That's like saying the purpose of the Olympics should be to give the best athlete the gold medal. If the person I think is best doesn't win, the Olympics should be changed.
Not a yank wrote:
The purpose of Olympic selection trails should be to send the best athletes to the games. If it does not do that, it should be changed.
Not all events are equal. some events have more outside variables than others.
Michael Johnson claims the trails are fair. However, he never once competed in a selection trails where he wasn’t given his own lane on the track. MJ never once in his entire life ran an 800m, so he can shut the f up about his opinion on Mu. The one time MJ ran an event outside the parameters of a 200m/400m in lanes on a 400m track, he crumbled. Or the time he got food poisoning and rocked up to the start line looking like an Ethiopian marathon runner and got blown apart by lesser athletes.
The 800m, decathlon, and pole vault have more outside variables than other events. Hurdle interference from other lanes is also an issue in the short hurdles.
World champion medalists from the year before the Olympics should be given automatic selection to the Olympics on US teams. The rest of the positions can be selected at the trials.
Not gonna listen to a douche who calls it Olympic "trails"
All these track athletes love to harp on about how everything is because of god and it’s gods plan, we’ll guess what, this was gods plan also. Move on
Like when GB selected Steve Crab (no not Steve Cram) over Seb Coe for the 1988 Olympic 1500m because he won the GB trials. I spelled it correctly this time. Do you agree with me now?
How did Steve Crab do in the Olympics after getting selected over Coe you may ask? Well, there’s a reason why you’ve never heard of Steve Crab.