Pantani was riding a very old bike with different gearing, used different training methodologies, and back then, the idea that a rider could absorb 120-140g of carbs an hour was a pipe dream.
People say a variation of this every 8-10 years or so. And they'll say it again when someone destroys Pogi's records after having discovered some rare Brazilian plant or something that isn't yet on the banned list.
Sorry, in my mind I was alluding to running and drugs/racing in general. I wouldn't bother watching any road cycling and certainly not the TDF. Although there is a clip about mechanical doping that is pretty funny.
It was the cocaína that killed him, not the EPO. Top shelf, uncut Colombian from what I gather.
Cocaine can also be performance enhancing, it's a powerful stimulant that gives you more energy. Pantani could very well have been taking cocaine during races.
Bro, trust me, the last thing you'd want to do on coke is race your bike. There were some morons back in the early days who thought it was performance enhancing, so they tried it before anyone knew better.
Bro, trust me, the last thing you'd want to do on coke is race your bike. There were some morons back in the early days who thought it was performance enhancing, so they tried it before anyone knew better.
They say the same thing about Adderall (also a stimulant like cocaine) and here we are with athletes wanting to dope with it and pretending to have ADHD
Sorry, in my mind I was alluding to running and drugs/racing in general. I wouldn't bother watching any road cycling and certainly not the TDF. Although there is a clip about mechanical doping that is pretty funny.
Why don't you just admit you are an Australian who ran at Arkansas.
Top teams Visma and UAE confirm they have access to specialized equipment for testing, but deny using the potentially powerful new method for performance enhancement.
Pantani was riding a very old bike with different gearing, used different training methodologies, and back then, the idea that a rider could absorb 120-140g of carbs an hour was a pipe dream.
People say a variation of this every 8-10 years or so. And they'll say it again when someone destroys Pogi's records after having discovered some rare Brazilian plant or something that isn't yet on the banned list.
If it isn't on the banned list it isn't doing them, is it?
Tadej Pogacar is obviously doping tons to be destroying everyone without even trying. He wins 6 stages and the overall of the 2024 Giro by 10 minutes and it didn't even look like he breathed hard at any point. This is in addition to all those ride everyone off his wheel attacks all season where even groups of other racers can't bring him back. This is so similar to Ivan Basso who did the same thing just before he got caught for doping, didn't even have to open his mouth to drop everyone going uphill.
I hope Tadej’s on the best stuff. Makes it more entertaining.
Pro running/swimming/triathlon/football/soccer/basketball/MMA/tennis/baseball would never have freak athletes taking drugs! Those damn Europeans and their bikes, if we could just get them to be clean then all of our sports would be fair!
The biggest tell is he already had a busy Spring classics season, did the Giro, and had COVID. Yet he is destroying people at every stage in the Tour. The Giro/LeTour double should NOT be this easy.
It's my belief, with no evidence, that he was stunned at how handily he was beaten by Jonas last season and decided to take drugs to match Jonas this year. But since Jonas was injured for majority of the Spring season and came into the tour under-prepared, it made Tadej look superhuman all alone out front.
Lance Armstrong admitted yesterday, the biggest mistake of his career was gapping Pantani by 4 minutes in the 2000 tour. Lance then went onto to say stage 19 was Tadej's biggest mistake of his career. Now, the witch hunt begins just like they did with Lance.
Give it 5-10 years, but Norway will be uncovered as the new flame fueling the doping machine, akin to East Africa, Russia, and China. The difference will be that Norway is on the cutting edge of grey area doping, unlike the other three which were only capable of sloppy cover-ups. The impetus will not be escaping poverty (East Africa) or to salvaging national image (Sochi, Beijing), but pure hubris fueled by national pride in aerobic sports. Their skiing program has been an ideal under-the-radar breeding ground for these developments for decades.
Everyone should read the escape collective article about the carbon monoxide rebreathers. These teams are not even hiding these - they are lugging them around in the open. It's the most obvious canary in the coal mine.
Jakob at the top of his sport? Kristian Blummenfelt at the top of his? You think Olav Bu isn't intimately in the know? Mikal Iden's response after his athlete Collin was busted?
In an exclusive interview with Triathlete, the coach of disgraced U.S. triathlete Collin Chartier speaks out on their coaching relationship, the surprisingly quiet doping investigation, Chartier's training data, and more.
Visma, UAE and IPT confirmed they have access to a rebreathing device and use the technique for measurement purposes. Mathieu Heijboer, head of performance for Visma, told Escape that “We have been working with Bent Rønnestad for a few years now to do measurement at the beginning and end of altitude camps.” Rønnestad is a professor at Inland Norway University and an expert on altitude physiology; Heijboer emphasised the testing takes place only when Rønnestad is present; he does not stay for the full camp.
Visma’s is owned by Inland Norway University, where Rønnestad and Lundby work (Lundby consults with Israel-Premier Tech, but not with Visma), while a representative from Israel-Premier Tech said the machine that team uses is owned by Tel Aviv University’s Sylvan Adams Sports Institute (Adams is the owner of the IPT team). In both cases, Lundby and Rønnestad respectively said, the teams use the machine for measurement purposes only, to fine-tune altitude training.
While I am sure they are doping, the improvement in bikes is huge. I own several bikes from the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s and a current bike that would have been ridden in the tour and all have high end dura ace or sram red. If you only ride the 80s bike you think wow feels good, then hop on the 90s(cannondale saeco with modern drive train and wheels) and go a bit faster and its like oh hell yeah.....but then you finally get the the modern tour level bike and you realize the improvement in efficiency, stability, flex, rolling weight etc. The disc brakes have a through axle which stiffens the bike up so more power to the ground. My bikes with skewers all have a lot of wheel flex despite having decent rims.
Actually Vingegaard's performance is more amazing than Pogacar's given that he was in hospital for 10 days two months ago.
He is better than Pogacar as he has shown in 2022 and 2023.
The 2024 Pogacar version is much better than the 2022 and 2023 Vingegaard version though and it's not even particularly close. Surely would have been funny to watch another mutant at this level, maybe we can "hope" for it next year
Actually Vingegaard's performance is more amazing than Pogacar's given that he was in hospital for 10 days two months ago.
He is better than Pogacar as he has shown in 2022 and 2023.
The 2024 Pogacar version is much better than the 2022 and 2023 Vingegaard version though and it's not even particularly close. Surely would have been funny to watch another mutant at this level, maybe we can "hope" for it next year
P. S: After looking a bit tired for the past few days Vingegaard managed one of his top 4 all time climbing performances today by pushing standardized 6.56 W/kg for almost 40 minutes. Surely would have been enough to crack 2022 and 2023 Pogacar, but obviously not enough in 2024 where Pogacar managed an astronomical 6.98 W/kg at an even longer climb
Tadej Pogačar continues to dominate the 2024 Tour de France with his fifth win in a mountain stage in a single Grand Tour. Jonas Vingegaard pushed high watts, but not enough to beat the Slovenian.
Serious question, maybe I'm just one of those naive hopeful youngsters but,
Surely if everyone was doing drugs, some whistle-blower somewhere - be it a begrudging under-achieving athlete or a sports scientist questioning the morals would collect evidence and tell the media. Even from a personal perspective the "fame" and money in whistleblowing shouldn't be ignored. Alas all of the athletes caught are from testing or whereabouts queries???
Serious question, maybe I'm just one of those naive hopeful youngsters but,
Surely if everyone was doing drugs, some whistle-blower somewhere - be it a begrudging under-achieving athlete or a sports scientist questioning the morals would collect evidence and tell the media. Even from a personal perspective the "fame" and money in whistleblowing shouldn't be ignored. Alas all of the athletes caught are from testing or whereabouts queries???
Have you ever tried embarrassing the Arab dictators with military powers that run the UAE? They pay Pogacar and his entourage of doctors to show how powerful the UAE is. You would quickly disappear.
