You mean like when he won NCAA's and the Olympic trials in 3:35 with 52 second last laps? Or maybe you mean when he ran/kicked off of 3:34 and 3:35 in the heat/semis at worlds last year to qualify for the final (where he ran 3:30 for 6th)? He even made that team with another tactical 3:35 race at USA's. Not sure what 3:37s you're referring to...you gotta watch more track buddy, you're just here making stuff up haha
You're confusing having a good kick with having tactical prowess. Centro was a master tactician - always in the right spot at the right time and never needed to run lots of extra distance. Hocker on the other hand is always digging himself out of bad spots, relying on gaps to open up and having to run ridiculous last laps to catch up. If he wasn't able to run those 25s last 200s he wouldn't win nearly as much as he does.
You're confusing having a good kick with having tactical prowess. Centro was a master tactician - always in the right spot at the right time and never needed to run lots of extra distance. Hocker on the other hand is always digging himself out of bad spots, relying on gaps to open up and having to run ridiculous last laps to catch up. If he wasn't able to run those 25s last 200s he wouldn't win nearly as much as he does.
Watch USA indoors this year or any Worlds/Olympics prelim. Guy is a good racer. Not Centro level, but very good. His amount of extra distance run is generally not high. If anything he sometimes is a little further back than you’d like because he is patient. You’re acting like it’s all his kick when in reality it’s not. He preserves his kick well, and he’s good at moving up in races. Point to some actual races where he has bad tactics…
Paced 3:32 while a bunch of Americans can run at least as fast and are young and hungry. Sorry, just haven't seen big results from Teare to get my hopes up.
You're confusing having a good kick with having tactical prowess. Centro was a master tactician - always in the right spot at the right time and never needed to run lots of extra distance. Hocker on the other hand is always digging himself out of bad spots, relying on gaps to open up and having to run ridiculous last laps to catch up. If he wasn't able to run those 25s last 200s he wouldn't win nearly as much as he does.
Watch USA indoors this year or any Worlds/Olympics prelim. Guy is a good racer. Not Centro level, but very good. His amount of extra distance run is generally not high. If anything he sometimes is a little further back than you’d like because he is patient. You’re acting like it’s all his kick when in reality it’s not. He preserves his kick well, and he’s good at moving up in races. Point to some actual races where he has bad tactics…
I agree about Hocker. 100% of the medalists were on the rail during 95%+ of the race.
Hobbs in the lead and he got third
Hocker early in pack and he got silver
Beamish in the back and he got gold
Beamish was lucky. There was 80%+ chance that there would be a fall and he would have been caught behind it.
Best tactical spot was Hocker. Don’t hate on him because he has this crazy ability to get out of the boxes. It’s a skill and he maximizes it.
Teare is going to double - the schedule lines up so that can be done. It might take like 3:31 or so to make the top 3. I imagine Yared taking it out last year and matching any move over the last 400m. Yared, Cole, Teare, Hobbs, Colins, some WU kids - going to be crazy hard to make.
Teare's chances of making the Olympic team just shot way up
The big question: Should he run the 1500, the 5000, or both?
In the 1500, two spots are nearly locked up. Nuguse and Hocker seem nearly unbeatable. Unfortunately for Teare, there are many good runners competing for the third spot: Hobbs Kessler, Nathan Greene, Joe Waskom, Colin Sahlman. Casey Comber and Eric Holt have shown good form this year. Teare is better than almost all of these guys but he has to be better than ALL of them to nab that third spot.
The 5000 is far more open. Grant Fisher is the favorite, but in a slow race (the Olympic Trials is usually won in 13:30 or so) he could be outkicked. It has happened before. With 3:32.16 speed and decent endurance (as evidenced by his win at the USA Cross Country championships), Teare possibly would have the strongest kick in the field. Nico Young and Woody Kinkaid will also be formidable in a sprint finish. Others with excellent speed include Paul Chelimo and Abdi Nur, but neither has shown great form this year. Many of these runners will be doubling back from the 10000. This will discourage a fast pace and may take a toll on some runners.
In the 1500, Teare obviously would be in the mix for the third spot. The problem is that the 1500 will be crowded. Tactics will be crucial. There will be jostling; so much can go wrong. If Teare gets boxed in or makes his move too early or runs most of the last lap in lane 2 or stumbles with 200 meters to go, it can be the difference between third and,say, eighth.
The 5000, by contrast, is relatively easy to navigate. Teare ran a 13:06 two years ago and is in better shape now. I think at this point he is capable of running sub 13 in perfect conditions. Given that, Teare should be able to tuck in behind the leaders and stay with them. And if the race is very slow (as I suspect), it will come down to the last 200 meters where Teare will be in the mix for the win. I don't think anyone else in the field has run close to a 3:32.1 1500.
Why not run both races? The 1500 precedes the 5000. The 1500 requires three races (a heat, a semi, and a final), and that would take a toll.
The decision seems obvious. Teare should skip the 1500 and put all his eggs in the 5000 meters.
Teare's chances of making the Olympic team just shot way up
The big question: Should he run the 1500, the 5000, or both?
In the 1500, two spots are nearly locked up. Nuguse and Hocker seem nearly unbeatable. Unfortunately for Teare, there are many good runners competing for the third spot: Hobbs Kessler, Nathan Greene, Joe Waskom, Colin Sahlman. Casey Comber and Eric Holt have shown good form this year. Teare is better than almost all of these guys but he has to be better than ALL of them to nab that third spot.
The 5000 is far more open. Grant Fisher is the favorite, but in a slow race (the Olympic Trials is usually won in 13:30 or so) he could be outkicked. It has happened before. With 3:32.16 speed and decent endurance (as evidenced by his win at the USA Cross Country championships), Teare possibly would have the strongest kick in the field. Nico Young and Woody Kinkaid will also be formidable in a sprint finish. Others with excellent speed include Paul Chelimo and Abdi Nur, but neither has shown great form this year. Many of these runners will be doubling back from the 10000. This will discourage a fast pace and may take a toll on some runners.
In the 1500, Teare obviously would be in the mix for the third spot. The problem is that the 1500 will be crowded. Tactics will be crucial. There will be jostling; so much can go wrong. If Teare gets boxed in or makes his move too early or runs most of the last lap in lane 2 or stumbles with 200 meters to go, it can be the difference between third and,say, eighth.
The 5000, by contrast, is relatively easy to navigate. Teare ran a 13:06 two years ago and is in better shape now. I think at this point he is capable of running sub 13 in perfect conditions. Given that, Teare should be able to tuck in behind the leaders and stay with them. And if the race is very slow (as I suspect), it will come down to the last 200 meters where Teare will be in the mix for the win. I don't think anyone else in the field has run close to a 3:32.1 1500.
Why not run both races? The 1500 precedes the 5000. The 1500 requires three races (a heat, a semi, and a final), and that would take a toll.
The decision seems obvious. Teare should skip the 1500 and put all his eggs in the 5000 meters.
Nico could run close to 3:32.1 and Grant Fisher could as well. But no they haven't run that. Great post, I would be shocked in Teare puts all his eggs in the 5k
Teare's chances of making the Olympic team just shot way up
The big question: Should he run the 1500, the 5000, or both?
In the 1500, two spots are nearly locked up. Nuguse and Hocker seem nearly unbeatable. Unfortunately for Teare, there are many good runners competing for the third spot: Hobbs Kessler, Nathan Greene, Joe Waskom, Colin Sahlman. Casey Comber and Eric Holt have shown good form this year. Teare is better than almost all of these guys but he has to be better than ALL of them to nab that third spot.
The 5000 is far more open. Grant Fisher is the favorite, but in a slow race (the Olympic Trials is usually won in 13:30 or so) he could be outkicked. It has happened before. With 3:32.16 speed and decent endurance (as evidenced by his win at the USA Cross Country championships), Teare possibly would have the strongest kick in the field. Nico Young and Woody Kinkaid will also be formidable in a sprint finish. Others with excellent speed include Paul Chelimo and Abdi Nur, but neither has shown great form this year. Many of these runners will be doubling back from the 10000. This will discourage a fast pace and may take a toll on some runners.
In the 1500, Teare obviously would be in the mix for the third spot. The problem is that the 1500 will be crowded. Tactics will be crucial. There will be jostling; so much can go wrong. If Teare gets boxed in or makes his move too early or runs most of the last lap in lane 2 or stumbles with 200 meters to go, it can be the difference between third and,say, eighth.
The 5000, by contrast, is relatively easy to navigate. Teare ran a 13:06 two years ago and is in better shape now. I think at this point he is capable of running sub 13 in perfect conditions. Given that, Teare should be able to tuck in behind the leaders and stay with them. And if the race is very slow (as I suspect), it will come down to the last 200 meters where Teare will be in the mix for the win. I don't think anyone else in the field has run close to a 3:32.1 1500.
Why not run both races? The 1500 precedes the 5000. The 1500 requires three races (a heat, a semi, and a final), and that would take a toll.
The decision seems obvious. Teare should skip the 1500 and put all his eggs in the 5000 meters.
Other considerations:
-There is a nice break between the 1,500F and 5,000R1 — 3 days. He'll have no issue with R1, so he might consider the toll from the 1,500 not a huge deal. And then he gets 3 more days off.
-The biggest factor to me will be how he performs in the back-to-back meets of the LA Grand Prix (5,000) and Prefontaine Classic (Mile). If he crushes it in the LA Grand Prix and he goes under 13 significantly that will maybe lean your direction. If he finishes top 5 in a stacked Pre Mile and runs 3:47 or faster, it'll lean him the other direction (though he'll have flexibility to double even if the 1500 is his focus). If he does neither and runs in line with his current PBs, anticipate the double.
Teare is most likely a lot closer to Young in a 5k, especially if it's tactical, than people give him credit for. Teare is certainly closer to the top tier of 5k guys than he is our 15 guys.
