Is Marita Koch's WR assumed clean or asterisked?

She has bigger balls than you do.

Every womens WR from 100 to 800 is tainted

Just wipe every WR from before mandatory drug testing was introduced in 1989 and be done with it

As far as I remember, it was Coe who was pushing for a reset of the world records (including the EPO era WRs). Kratchilova was one of the athletes objecting to it most vociferously, along with El G.

The GDR records should be removed, because it's proven beyond doubt that there was a massive state sponsored doping program there (Rekrunner will probably come in now).

Both the West and East German athletes were held down by their western Euro and Soviet overlords. They knew Germans are inherently the best athletes, but they must never be allowed to win or next they'll be launching another war. It would take ten times as much dope for a westerner or Soviet to run as fast as Marita Koch.

German reunification was a big mistake. East Germany needs to be recreated and given back to Russian control along with Poland. Poland hasn't been a real country for at least 200 years anyhow.

I'm impressed! You produced a reasonably accurate non-racist post. Keep the streak going.

I'm here now, as you requested -- ask me anything.

The others are clean?

Ashford's '84 WR was bettered 71 times since. 2 of the times are from the '80s (FloJo, including the most likely wind aided WR).

From the 285 sub 31 10000m times, five are form the '80s.

She was no more dirty than FloJo.

Probably not, but using 1989 as the cut off point means there was a different standard to the drug testing than before that point.

Plus, it's obviously self-evident when times from 40 years ago are still competitive today after all our advancements, how doped to the gills the athletes back then were. Draw the line at 1989, and done. Or 1999, when WADA started. Or 2009, when the ABP started. Or 2017, when the AIU started.

As for the GDR. Sure their records should get wiped, but where do you draw the line? The Soviet Union and several other Soviet Block members had state-sponsored doping also, and parts of the West, most evidently BRD and USA, had state-protected doping.

We can start anew when the USA abolishes their kids ped program called ncaa.

The effect of thinner air at 600m elevation is marginal, although it was dead calm that day. The track surface then was rekortan (sp?) I believe, since then it's been replaced with the faster for sprinting Mondo, perhaps Koch would have run 47.50 or faster on today's tracks.

Maybe Jamila Kratochvilova was DSD like Caster Semenya and Brittney Griner, Probably can run fast when they are DSD without cheating, Just a Genitic Abnormality that gives them an Advantage in sports, but puts them at a disadvantage is social situations, just the Voice of Semenya or Griner would make men not consider them for a date, relationship or marriage. Those 2 are Lesbian so it probably does not matter to them, but if they liked males they would be victims of Voice Discrimination most of the time, I would guess

...and hundredths of seconds are marginal. ...but a big clue to me...that altitude or something was going on up in Canberra, was Vladykina's performance in the same race. Just 22 years old...2 years away from her World Championship gold, 3 from her Olympic gold - at the 1988 Olympics no less - same Olympics where she out-ran Florence Griffith-Joyner !! ...7 years away from her Olympic Silver etc etc - YET...at 22, in Canberra, Olga ran easily her fastest ever 400 meters time. ...as did Marita - also by a huge margin. I don't know about the wind in the 400 or the surface, but I do know that the whole track is gone now, gone with the wind.

...jeepers ! - all this wiping of dirty records...it can probably get too anal and end up in the toilet. ...which reminds me...................

Griffiths? Ashford? Brisco?

Or was it all a coincidence that they were faster 25 years ago?

How do you value those given numbers?

Ashford and Brisco are now in their mid-60's and it does not surprise me that they were faster 25 years ago. Evelyn Ashford probably had to really fast, to get to back to racing weight, after her mid-career baby, with Pat Connolly.

I see that even in 2024, Evelyn Ashford still holds the 60 yard record. Whereas
Sha'Carri Richardson-Mitchell only has 2 yards, front & back, plus a small atrium next to her walk-in shower. (I imagine)