How does that work? You'd have to report to an authority every location you ever go, and wouldn't be able to go hiking for example or even work your job delivering pizzas.
In the US at least, you need to report where you will be for a 1-hour window every day, which I think is not really tolerable already (wouldn't put up with that intrusion for any normal job), but that gives you 23 hours to not have to report every single place you visit in your day. That also gives dopers 23 hours for dope to diminish to below detectable levels if they know the amount to take right after the 1-hour window ends.
Why 23 hours? Why not make your 1 hour window 6am to 7am on Monday and then 10pm to 11pm on Tuesday? That would give you a lot more than 23 hours.
How does that work? You'd have to report to an authority every location you ever go, and wouldn't be able to go hiking for example or even work your job delivering pizzas.
In the US at least, you need to report where you will be for a 1-hour window every day, which I think is not really tolerable already (wouldn't put up with that intrusion for any normal job), but that gives you 23 hours to not have to report every single place you visit in your day. That also gives dopers 23 hours for dope to diminish to below detectable levels if they know the amount to take right after the 1-hour window ends.
Why 23 hours? Why not make your 1 hour window 6am to 7am on Monday and then 10pm to 11pm on Tuesday? That would give you a lot more than 23 hours.
You'd have to do that if you were catching an early flight to Europe or something like that, so I imagine it must be allowed. I don't know the specifics, just what I've read here. If you did that every other day, maybe they'd be suspicious though.
Along that line, I was listening to a podcast yesterday (the Smoking Tire), and the host was talking about taking his willingness to travel 37 hours to someplace to do a car review for 24 hours and then traveling back 37 hours. That would make complying with providing a 1-hour window on the travel day almost impossible to do. You could provide flight numbers and say you have no control over delays, or the need to rush between close connections, but there's only so much you can do about your actual location sometimes.
For a drug with a 4.5-hour half-life: After 4.5 hours (1 half-life), 50% of the drug remains. After 9 hours (2 half-lives), 25% remains. After 13.5 hours (3 half-lives), about 12.5% remains. After 18 hours (4 half-lives), about 6.25% remains. After 22.5 hours (5 half-lives), about 3.125% remains. After 27 hours (6 half-lives), about 1.5625% remains.
So, in this example, it might take around 22.5 to 27 hours for the drug to become virtually undetectable. However, this is a rough estimate and the actual detectability can vary. Some sensitive drug tests can detect trace amounts of substances long after this period.
Good math. Unless I missed it somewhere else in this thread, I don't think Armstrong was quoting scientific evidence as much as just using the term "half life" to make the point that it clears quickly. Maybe 4 hours was his empirical window for a clear test.
No, this is exactly the 'math' he was referring to. EPO's scientific half-life is indeed about 4 hours, so after 4-hours 1/2 of what you took remains in your system.
Jakob Ing isnt taking epo. Sandnes isnt america. He is taking asthma drugs without having asthma.
Henrik Ing used to have a machine in the locker room that made weird noises, to inhale the asthma drugs more efficiently before the races.
Taking asthma drugs without having asthma is a violation of the doping code. So why isn’t Jakob suspended? Have you forgotten to say the same to WADA that you are saying here..?
Actually anybody can take salbutamol (i.e. no TUE required) as long as it's within the limits:
"Inhaled salbutamol (Ventolin, Respigen or SalAir) permitted at all times within thresholds (Max. 1600mcg over 24 hours; Max. 600mcg in an 8-hour period)"
I mean you are still going to need a prescription here in the US, but totally 'legal' from a anti-doping standpoint.
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LOL reckie still hasn't responded? Here's to hoping that the epodoesntwork troll is finally banned.
What about Armstrong? Were they both banned?
Good point, he is also missing from this thread although it's about doping. Maybe the two lovebirds pulled an all-nighter insulting each other too much even for letsrun?
For a drug with a 4.5-hour half-life: After 4.5 hours (1 half-life), 50% of the drug remains. After 9 hours (2 half-lives), 25% remains. After 13.5 hours (3 half-lives), about 12.5% remains. After 18 hours (4 half-lives), about 6.25% remains. After 22.5 hours (5 half-lives), about 3.125% remains. After 27 hours (6 half-lives), about 1.5625% remains.
So, in this example, it might take around 22.5 to 27 hours for the drug to become virtually undetectable. However, this is a rough estimate and the actual detectability can vary. Some sensitive drug tests can detect trace amounts of substances long after this period.
This ^
It is my opinion, this is why Olympics (period of time athletes have to spend in athletes village) is why endurance event times are much slower then during the season. This is also why DL races leading up to Olympics and after Olympics are so fast by comparison. DL barely tests (bad for business) and when they do they hand pick likely clean athletes (so I have heard).
Olympics is probably the only venue where there is a more even playing field. Even then though… athletes that dope have had the long benefit during their training phases and athletes can still leave the Olympic village.
The cleanest Olympics in the modern era may have been in Tokyo where athletes were quarantined in the Olympic village due to Covid. Thus the slow times (weather conditions aside).
I believe there are clean endurance athletes competing at the highest levels. Those super talented individuals can pull off DL placings but they just don’t seem to have it at the end of the DL race as the dopers do. These athletes are the ones that can pull off the “upset” at the Olympics. Sadly, that time frame is four years.
Does anyone think that some elite HSers might be doping as well. Or even collegiate athletes. At what level of running does drug testing become frequent enough to be a concern to dopers?
Taking asthma drugs without having asthma is a violation of the doping code. So why isn’t Jakob suspended? Have you forgotten to say the same to WADA that you are saying here..?
Actually anybody can take salbutamol (i.e. no TUE required) as long as it's within the limits:
"Inhaled salbutamol (Ventolin, Respigen or SalAir) permitted at all times within thresholds (Max. 1600mcg over 24 hours; Max. 600mcg in an 8-hour period)"
I mean you are still going to need a prescription here in the US, but totally 'legal' from a anti-doping standpoint.
I didn’t say anything of the need of a TUE for asthma drugs, and everything you are saying here are correct. But on Anti Doping Norway’s home page it is said that even (asthma drug using ) hobby joggers (who f.ex participate in a road race) must have an asthma diagnosis, and their drug must come from a (named) prescription from a physician.
With that short a half-life, you could dose right up to the start of a long stage and be clean by the time you got to the doping control trailer. For a marathon, get up early to dose and eat breakfast and you will be "clean" by the time you finish.
Medical miracles never cease!
Not necessarily. Depends entirely on the (effective) dose and limit of detection of the test.
It's a hormone that is secreted naturally by your kidneys. It causes you to produce more red blood cells. The more red blood cells you have, the better you will perform at endurance sports.
If you live at high altitudes, where the percentage of oxygen is lower due to less atmospheric pressure, your body will use EPO to ensure your body is getting enough oxygen. That is the key principle behind "altitude training" and you are then free to compete at sea level with more red blood cells than you would normally have. It is not considered cheating, and many successful endurance athletes sleep is specialized chambers that have lower concentrations of oxygen to get the same benefit of training at altitude without leaving sea level.
Injecting EPO is another matter, entirely. You are not using natural conditions, and can give yourself a much higher dose of EPO than you would even if you could train at 30,000 feet (which you cannot; that is why oxygen masks are on each and every plane in case the cabin loses pressure). Some endurance athletes who abuse EPO (dope with it) ended up with red blood cell counts so high that they had to set alarms to wake them up in the middle of the night...so they could exercise. If they didn't, their red blood cell count grew so high that they were at risk of cardiac failure!
So, to answer your question more directly...it isn't a steroid that builds muscle mass or a drug that improves performance while it is in your body. It's a natural substance that can be abused by virtue of its effects on the body when abused.
Wasn’t uncommon for cyclists of the era to die in their sleep
EPO testing has improved a lot lol! What Armstrong said isn't true. You can take EPO and its remnants can probably last 24 hours or more and still be caught by modern day tests.
Armstrong is a cheat and forever will be. Being a nice guy and saving cancer patients does not change the fact that the source or root of his works is corrupt and devious!
Only an evil LRCer could ever justify Armstrong as a nice and caring person lol! 2 wrongs don't make a right. 2 wrongs do not mutually annihilate to become a moral good!
Sin is sin, and Armstrong does not understand this because he ain't got the love of God in him. He is fallen and wicked man. He needs repentance in The Lord.
I'm not rekrunner. He is someone else's person. I would like you to focus on my main point about this moral filth Lance Armstrong who practices progressive morality. He uses the ends to justify means whenever it's expedient, with no moral standards and regulation in Scripture. He doesn't know a wrong is a wrong, a sin is sin, no excuses, no rationalization about helping the poor, helping the sick, doing a whole lot of contribution to society etc!
He, being Godless, doesn't know he is evil and wicked at heart, a scum of this earth, and that's precisely the damn problem with him! There are many men on earth who behaves like him with the same modus operandi. These heathen will be severely judged on Judgement Day did you know that?
Do not be like Armstrong's example.
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Why 23 hours? Why not make your 1 hour window 6am to 7am on Monday and then 10pm to 11pm on Tuesday? That would give you a lot more than 23 hours.
You'd have to do that if you were catching an early flight to Europe or something like that, so I imagine it must be allowed. I don't know the specifics, just what I've read here. If you did that every other day, maybe they'd be suspicious though.
Along that line, I was listening to a podcast yesterday (the Smoking Tire), and the host was talking about taking his willingness to travel 37 hours to someplace to do a car review for 24 hours and then traveling back 37 hours. That would make complying with providing a 1-hour window on the travel day almost impossible to do. You could provide flight numbers and say you have no control over delays, or the need to rush between close connections, but there's only so much you can do about your actual location sometimes.
If you are a world class athlete instead of a car review guy, you would construct a travel itinerary that doesn't involve traveling for 37 hours straight, being somewhere for 24 hours, and then traveling for 37 hours straight. Such a schedule would not be good for you from a training and fitness perspective anyway.
You'd have to do that if you were catching an early flight to Europe or something like that, so I imagine it must be allowed. I don't know the specifics, just what I've read here. If you did that every other day, maybe they'd be suspicious though.
Along that line, I was listening to a podcast yesterday (the Smoking Tire), and the host was talking about taking his willingness to travel 37 hours to someplace to do a car review for 24 hours and then traveling back 37 hours. That would make complying with providing a 1-hour window on the travel day almost impossible to do. You could provide flight numbers and say you have no control over delays, or the need to rush between close connections, but there's only so much you can do about your actual location sometimes.
If you are a world class athlete instead of a car review guy, you would construct a travel itinerary that doesn't involve traveling for 37 hours straight, being somewhere for 24 hours, and then traveling for 37 hours straight. Such a schedule would not be good for you from a training and fitness perspective anyway.
That's just an example. Some top runners could come from third world countries, where to visit their families, they might have to do long travel. Maybe I've watched too many Top Gear/Grand Tour specials recently, where the presenters take long-ass, difficult trips to get to places in Africa, South America, and Asia especially. What if Lopez Lomong wanted to travel to Sudan to see his roots? Not that I know anything about Sudan, so that may or may not be a good example.
EPO testing has improved a lot lol! What Armstrong said isn't true. You can take EPO and its remnants can probably last 24 hours or more and still be caught by modern day tests.
Armstrong is a cheat and forever will be. Being a nice guy and saving cancer patients does not change the fact that the source or root of his works is corrupt and devious!
Only an evil LRCer could ever justify Armstrong as a nice and caring person lol! 2 wrongs don't make a right. 2 wrongs do not mutually annihilate to become a moral good!
Sin is sin, and Armstrong does not understand this because he ain't got the love of God in him. He is fallen and wicked man. He needs repentance in The Lord.
Right Rojo?
what? armstrong is a wanker and doesnt save cancer patients. he helps them, but no resarch etc. plus all these peeps get huge tax breaks etc.