Everyone with a brain knows that cross-training can substitute for running miles. A lot.
The reason most runners don't do it is because
(1) It's time-consuming
(2) It's boring
(3) They have some degree of OCD about counting miles, want to make sure their miles are "real"
(4) It feels wrong to be a gym rat when the weather is nice
I am very likey in the minority but I would rather fly on an ellipicial than do a long slow easy run. The feeling of going fast is very excellerating to me.
Everyone with a brain knows that cross-training can substitute for running miles. A lot.
The reason most runners don't do it is because
(1) It's time-consuming
(2) It's boring
(3) They have some degree of OCD about counting miles, want to make sure their miles are "real"
(4) It feels wrong to be a gym rat when the weather is nice
(5) It’s a lot less pleasant than running when cross-training at some of the PV intensities.
Out of curiosity, what are PV intensites on the arc trainer? I am very curious what incline, resistance and spm she does her workouts at.
I have done workouts before on the arc trainer when I was injured or the roads were too bad to run fast on (covered in snow, ice and/or slush). I did workouts going by minutes such as 30 minutes hard tempo and 8X4 minutes. I hit ~185 spm for the 30 minute tempo at 20 incline and 33 resistance.
Maybe I misunderstood something, but I think it was always clear that PV cross-trains a lot and runs 2-3 times a week, quite demanding by the way. There's no misunderstanding about that. The fact that top national runners don't use this concept and just do more running miles doesn't mean that this concept can't work for even better times. The comparison with triathletes is not quite correct in my opinion, because they usually train for a race that lasts a little under two hours up to eight hours or more (depending on the distance), whereas PV runs much shorter and at a higher intensity. We all know that a high-intensity workout such as 8-10 x 1k or 10 x 400 (mile pace; by the way: no triathlete does this) requires a recovery time of at least 48 hours. It is interesting to see how far you can push PV's concept. Example week: 2 days with double threshold (threshold on the arc trainer in the morning, threshold run in the afternoon) plus 1 day of intervals on the track. That's 3 runs plus a lot of cross-training. Why not?
Don't believe for one second that she rolled off the couch, started training 2-3 times a week, and, bam, she is a sub-15 5ker.
It's a body of work for 15+ years of hard aerobic training.
The body does not care where the aerobic stimulus comes from, you'll still get the benefits if you built it up over many years. It falls in line with what Gjert said in an interview about early-life training.
So how many swimmers become good runners? And vice versa.
These are different skill sets. Elite swimmers have more muscle mass, a large torso and are usually tall(Michael Phelps is 6'4"). You won't see any overlap between Elite swimmers and runners. Elite runners are skinny with long legs. But someone who is a well-trained swimmer will still have that aerobic development.
Can you site one lacrosse player who made it as a "overnight sensation" in track? I coached men's lacrosse and while its a wonderful sport the players were generally slower than the skilled football players.
Not quite Valby’s level, but Kate Axford in the UK is pretty much this. She was a national level field hockey player, ‘started’ running this year, is currently the 24th ranked woman runner in the UK per RunBritain rankings, has won that majority of races she’s entered and has run run national top-5 3k and 5k times this year ()
People doubting her arc trainer training should try it at the highest setting. It's not a joke. If you see her running form, it kind mimics what arc trainer does. She drives her forward motion a lot from her arm swings. Then you look at the runners behind her.
Highest resistance? I wouldn’t want to do that because there’s no way I could manage a decent “strides” per minute. I’ve started using the arc trainer at the Y recently and I try to always maintain 150+ spm so it’s at least comparable to the rhythm of running.
But your point is valid, the arc trainer is basically as hard as you make it, just like running/cycling/rowing/swimming…and the particular kind of stress/exertion feels more similar to running than any other X-training I can think of. Doing 80 minutes on that thing regularly will get you extremely fit.
This is absolutely true. I'm older than most in this situation but due to injury and aches and pains I moved half of my running to an arc and increased the time spent training and I am in much better shape than I was even 6 months ago. To think that a world class talent couldn't use the arc as more than a supplement to training and more of a replacement of running is just naive.
Highest resistance? I wouldn’t want to do that because there’s no way I could manage a decent “strides” per minute. I’ve started using the arc trainer at the Y recently and I try to always maintain 150+ spm so it’s at least comparable to the rhythm of running.
But your point is valid, the arc trainer is basically as hard as you make it, just like running/cycling/rowing/swimming…and the particular kind of stress/exertion feels more similar to running than any other X-training I can think of. Doing 80 minutes on that thing regularly will get you extremely fit.
This is absolutely true. I'm older than most in this situation but due to injury and aches and pains I moved half of my running to an arc and increased the time spent training and I am in much better shape than I was even 6 months ago. To think that a world class talent couldn't use the arc as more than a supplement to training and more of a replacement of running is just naive.
If you think it would be that effective for a "world class talent" perhaps you could name some who train by this method?
Don't believe for one second that she rolled off the couch, started training 2-3 times a week, and, bam, she is a sub-15 5ker.
It's a body of work for 15+ years of hard aerobic training.
The body does not care where the aerobic stimulus comes from, you'll still get the benefits if you built it up over many years. It falls in line with what Gjert said in an interview about early-life training.
So how many swimmers become good runners? And vice versa.
Lia Thomas could have been a great 5-10k runner but her cack is to big.
This is absolutely true. I'm older than most in this situation but due to injury and aches and pains I moved half of my running to an arc and increased the time spent training and I am in much better shape than I was even 6 months ago. To think that a world class talent couldn't use the arc as more than a supplement to training and more of a replacement of running is just naive.
If you think it would be that effective for a "world class talent" perhaps you could name some who train by this method?
Depends on whether you think Parker Valby is world class or not.
Look...I realize you like to debate points...most of which are not debateable as they require proving a negative....but you're also a bit of a bube.
So what do you attribute Valby's success thus far?
Exactly! Lots of swimmers, soccer players, and lacrosse players with athleticism and long backgrounds of fitness building that start track and become "overnight" sensations. I know of several athletes that spent a summer cycling through Europe or took a semester off to ride across America that returned to running as aerobic beasts. Cardiovascular improvement is cardiovascular improvement no matter the method. Just do enough specificity for running and you will perform well.
Can you site one lacrosse player who made it as a "overnight sensation" in track?
I coached men's lacrosse and while its a wonderful sport the players were generally slower than the skilled football players.
Webb was a great runner, but he was also a very solid swimmer. I believe he was close to junior national cuts in 5 events as a freshman in high school. If he stayed on that trajectory, he probably would have received a Division 1 scholarship, but realistically would not have had a chance to make the Olympics in swimming. I do believe all the swimming (I think he swam for Machine Aquatics in NOVA which was more a high yardage team) gave him an amazing aerobic engine. We’ll never know what type of runner he would have been with no swimming.
My sister is a good example. She swam for a high yardage team and didn’t even run her freshman year, but did a 5:12 in her PE class mile spring of her freshman year. The teacher, who was also the CC coach, told her she needed to come out for the team. With only 25ish miles per week her sophomore year, but swimming often 3+ hours per day with doubles, she made Kinney Championships as a sophomore. She would absolutely not be the runner she was without all that swimming. She swam all through high school and both swam and ran in college (although that was very difficult at a top Division 1 school). But no, not every great swimmer will be a good runner.