Foot speed still MATTERS: Jakob’s Achilles Heel

I find a problem with the word 'if' used here. It's a subtle jibe at the truest cleanest legend EL G who in my humble opinion would never dope under any space-time dimension or parallel universe. He just doesn't have it in him to dope just looking at his personality and character ya know? So since El G didn't dope so would Jakob since the premise 'if' Jakob is doping isn't relevant at all if the former clause is true by moral default.

Perhaps the Canova ethic is more relevant here as it's widely known from his experience that Mother Nature and her laws of physics of human performance for the most naturally environmentally bred and nourished east african athletes knows best, and any modern artificial chemical enhancement inaccessible to such knowledge.

I kinda suspected this is the case too. I find so many performances that are worthy of doping yet somehow shocked these haven't ever been caught at all. So I was then entertaining in my mind whether there is a possibility that Antidopage is sandbagging their ability to catch dopers. Are they operating at less than 100% all-out effort or doing all it takes to catch ALL the dopers. Are there affiliations and favors/interests that they may prioritize ahead of purely doping and catching dopers? I think, as my gut instincts are forever accurate and pin-point, the answer is YES! It's the same gut instinct I use to defend El G and Jakob as both clean athletes.

Not sort of. Its absolutely true. He's a 3k/2miler, not a 1500/miler. Jakob is just so good that he can move out of his event and run near World Records. 2k, 3k, 2mile he's from another galaxy. He'll add the 3k WR next year. Will probably run 12:35 in a year or so.

Um no, the hotter the better duh! Look at Gudaf Tsegay in the 5000m WR, shows you heat and heat factor is over-rated. I have always believed that from distances 100m to 5000m, the hotter the better up to a certain threshold of perhaps 85 degrees. Beyond that the law of diminishing returns of benefit would apply. In thermodynamic law, heat is energy, and converted as kinetic energy. More heat = more energy = more energy converted to kinetic energy up to a certain threshold of 85 degrees.

Yeah it is SORT of true. You are making a rookie mistake by trying to tell us that an Olympic Gold medalist in the 1500m is not a miler. He is a miler but he is more of a 5000m guy due to his limited foot speed.

Shh...let 'em go. Their comments are very entertaining. A couple have made me literally laugh out loud.

No, his ideal distance is NOT the mile. It should be clear to anyone who knows the sport. The fact that he is a gold medalist at 1500 does not change the fact that his ideal distance is 3k. He's simply too good for the rest of the world. Able to win 1500-5000, but it does not change the fact that his sweet spot is NOT 1 mile.

Are you slow upstairs? The whole premise of this thread is that Jakob will NEVER own the mile and below records and now you are trying to argue with me by telling me I am correct? What he hell?

We agree. My point was that he isnt supposed to set the mile record. That mark is held by a miler. This guy is so good that he gets with .6 of the WR running OUT of his event. People looking for him to set the mile mark (not you) seem not to get this. If he ever gets the mile mark, they should build statues in his honor.

Partly right: ElG for 1200m, Ngeny for 1609m.

OK that is fair. I mean he probably would not have lost to Jake and Josh at the last 2 WC if it had been even a 2000m instead of a 1500m. It makes a big difference for him.

Correct. They would have no chance whatsoever at 2000m. The guy has run 4:43.1 and 7:54.1y. Insane marks. Crazy.

He closed near or exact to Hicham El Guerrouj’s race for the WR .. what’s speed at this pace and distance??

So when he eventually does break the WRs, are you going to discount the records because super shoes and wavelights? Add an EPO test to the El G era and maybe we'd have an even playing field. Not that anyone is clean, but micro dosing vs showing up to a meet glowing are worlds apart.

Khamis, I don’t think a simple definition of thermodynamics, as it applies to, say, mechanical systems, quite captures the complexity of biological thermodynamics. Those warm temps might not have a hugely detrimental effect on times (especially if there’s little humidity), but they aren’t an advantage.

I look at this season as evidence of the opposite. After this season, Jakob looks to have a much better shot at the WR. He absolutely has the turnover. If he can run 1:46 (modest though it may be by the impossible standards of LR) and 3:43-high then clearly he can run mile/1500 WR pace for a long time. To get the records, he needs to be just as quick as he currently is and a tiny bit stronger (i.e., able to hold the hard, hard pace a fraction longer). When you write that he “doesn’t have the requisite turnover,” you’re making an argument about a top-end speed that he doesn’t need for a well-paced WR since he’s such an aerobic machine and has such incredible strength.

The lack of turnover has been a factor in championship 1500 races. It really is a weakness, and JI clearly tries to minimize it by keeping the pace fast since he can kick better than any of his competitors off of a very fast pace. Again, though, if we’re looking at lessons learned about Jakob this season, I think it’s pretty clear that the WRs are in his sights and, despite it all, he can still be beaten in a global championship.

Yeah I know that biological thermodynamics are quantum thermodynamics if that made sense. It's highly non-linear and susceptible to all energies. But the basic point is temperature is an overrated factor.

You are asking Jakob haters "if" he was on EPO?

I thought you were all about asking the tough doping questions! Let's see a tough doping question for Jakob. How fast does he have to get before he loses his pass? 3:40? 7:15?

Have run faster.....not: have ran faster