71.4% of Oberlin college is "LGBTQ." How is that possible?

Its not possible.

That is a very well written diatribe, but I fails to address the crux of my point. Evidently I am not as eloquent, as my state school education does not compare to your elite liberal arts education(I was admitted to a number of schools like yours but did not feel that the additional cost was justifiable since I paid for the bulk of my own education). Do you feel that there should be racist admission policies at universities? While we are at it, do you support Democrat led efforts to suppress first amendment protections of free speech and free practice of religion? Would it surprise you to know that I voted for some Democrats back when I was young and naive? How many Republicans have you voted for?

WTF is intersectional? A type of sofa in which you bury bodies?

Oberlin = Lena Dunham

Smith is nationally reknowned all "women" college.

HRC is the exception that proves the rule for Wellesley.

Being gay is cool. Tons of gay people.

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when conservatives speak of the "value" of a degree, they might use actual numbers and compare to their local school or alma mater or something. as opposed to judge the politics in some subjective self serving sense. OC graduates 82% of the frosh who show up. graduates earn more than the average college graduate. 90% of the grads, including those who major in lesbian basketweaving, have a job in 2 years. 1% of their grads default on their loans.

the recent campaign against liberal arts colleges and liberal arts majors tends to miss that (1) that your major may be as little as 25% of the classes you take -- i have almost a minor worth of frosh and soph science classes atop a humanities degree -- and (2) most such students go on to get a graduate or professional degree, as i did. so we are broadly educated, able to shift gears and do a few different things with our lives, and often enough have a practical graduate degree.

if i wanted to get really punchy, this discussion tends to reflect "class" assumptions about credentialism. stereotypically, poor people will get a trade that is precarious in a world that generally rewards education, middle class will get a practical degree that in practice channels them right back into the middle class, and the wealthy will chase their dreams. what i see is middle class folks and their limited ambitions trying to dictate to the rest of us how to educate ourselves. i think if you have ambitions you should educate yourself like you want to be a leader and not just another middle class drone. i also think middle class folks beefing about education and loans tend to confuse poor people chasing trade school or UPhoenix degrees with poor payoff with liberal arts students who by about age 30 have things well sorted, even with a women's studies degree. because with that degree one can get a job in business, education, a number of fields.

re lena dunham, you may not like her politics, but you haven't checked her bank account i assume. ms. hollywood actress/director/writer/producer can probably buy and sell most of the rest of us. not liking her politics doesn't make her or her school a loser.

i also think the thrust of the argument here is groupthink and you're confusing "broadly liberal" with thinking alike. ironically my sense of current politics is trump controls his party from the hard right while biden is center-left and we have people far left of him eg bernie, but they are maybe 20-30% of the voters hence he loses the primary. the GOP then pretends we're a bunch of birkenstock wearing lesbian hippies, hence this OC thread. i went to a liberal liberal arts school and both my roommate and i found "some" of it excessive.

i buy people going to reed or oberlin might generally be broad brush liberal in some way. i do not buy we are all soros robots who get our common song sheet by email each week. for starters, that is a russian/hungarian slur, i don't think i have read or heard soros in a decade, that tends to be eastern european disinformation from the part of the world where he is far more active. it is a massive tell where one gets their information from "really." but more to the point dems are usually center-left and somewhat awkward with the granola wing of the party. this is not the trump GOP where everyone gets in line or retires. so the implication we sign up to oberlin and all turn gay is just nuts.

But wouldn't those predominantly wealthy Oberlin students also have done well after college had they attended most any other school? The situation seems similar to the studies I've seen mentioned that say students who are admitted to Ivies but don't go there wind up doing about as well after university as those who do go there, suggesting that the key factor is being good enough to be admitted to an Ivy rather than what they learn at the Ivy.

this trades in such malarkey. i went to a conservative HS and did not turn out conservative. people "can" think for themselves, though only some will. and to be crystal clear under the guise of neutral education we're now selling "slavery wasn't so bad" down in florida.

i still think a lot of this is the anti-democratic belief that someone over here who gets a JD or MBA and elected to office gets to tell a professional teacher over there what the facts and curriculum are. it's a control thing. if you want to dictate to the students, get a teaching certificate. if you want to control what is taught in college, get the appropriate degree and constitute more than 10-20% of the department. if you want to run a library get your ALA MLIS. to me a lot of this is you didn't win the school board or have much of anyone teaching at the HS or college, and you don't want to starve as a librarian, but you want to run it anyway. and not neutrally.

What we should be talking about is how Oberlin's XC course is short.

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Idk why this is so surprising or why this is a 5 page thread. People seek out places where they feel safe/comfortable. When you turn 18, you're not confined to the beliefs/attitudes of the people you went to HS with. That's kind of how college works -- a lot of similarly minded people end up in the same place. & it can be as basic as what subjects interest you. It's not shocking that engineers go to good engineering schools. Let people be happy for their 4 years & find people who share their interests.

Oberlin hates free speech but Chicago supports it.

Because LGBTQ whatever is not a real ontological category and is invented in the postmodern age as a response to the rejection of Scholastic teleology in the Scientific Revolution which correctly identified all sex as either the marital act, fornication, or sodomy

I'm sure some colleges are known magnets for some segments of the population, much like some bars are frequented by certain segments of the population. Not hard to figure out.

VIT - I think a rigorous liberal arts degree can be very valuable. But your explication completely ignores the very serious problem with student loan debt. Paying those debts is a significant burden to many, and the problem isn't with conservatives who use actual numbers. Low default rates are misleading in a sense. You are dealing with a responsible population with Oberlin grads. They get a great education by and large and have a sense of discipline. But having to pay loans which are issued on horrid terms is a real grind. Often a life changing grind. I started out in very severe single mother poverty, so I don't minimize the burdens that debt can cause. So value today is indeed very important. A gender studies from my school, a so-called high prestige school, is likely valuable at some point because of the communication skills obtained (I was a double major liberal arts person at this school). But moving forward often involves more school and more debt, at prices much much higher on a relative basis than in the past. You wrongly state the issue is the campaign against liberal arts. Sure, it exists but I think rather the rather the expensive cost is the problem, especially when you add in above everything else opportunity cost, which is not "free". This is not a conservative or liberal position - it is one that simply makes sense. My kids went to Princeton and I could afford it with no debt or discomfort. They didn't think of value, but they concede that they were in the extreme minority, especially since they knew the circumstances from which I sprung.

Trades do not belong to poor people. In fact, one of the trends in the suburb where i live is that middle class and higher young people are taking up trades. Many of them are not the least bit precarious and make a lot of sense in the labor market. A young man around the corner went to an excellent auto mechanics trade school. His mother persuaded him that given his slack study habits (a great kid by the way) and his penchant for all things mechanical trade school was a wise choice for him. His peers gave him a bit of a rough time - they share your unfounded perceptions. He sends them postcards from Germany when he travels there for mechanical training with the manufacturer. He is getting cross trained in EV's so your statement re precariousness doesn't make much sense to me. He is desirable in the dating market which makes me chuckle as I talk to his worrisome mother! The ROI for some trades is terrific - and they are not - as you wrong imply - jobs for the uneducated. I don't mean to sound harsh but the trades make far more sense than going away in directional U and majoring in animal house, with parents taking on parent plus loans and all that. The auto repair market is completely absurd. Every single shop is short on certified mechanics, meaning looking for a job is not difficult and good ones make over 100k. My high school friend's son (a runner) went to trade school and just had to live in Boulder (not sure I blame him). He is a mechanic at a well respected brand, owns a $600k house which he bought three years ago, and his major complaint is that there is such a shortage of labor he is cranking out too much overtime (they pay him, but working 6 days a week in the shop can grind on you, especially when a recall hits and he is doing major component replacements one after another). He is not in any way in a precarious position.His aunt who I dated in high school fusses about who he is dating. I remind her nephew has remarkably launched and does not need to worry about that for now! A true first world problem!

We are talking about a labor market here - not politics

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It’s an advanced education and arts school, these people do not care what others think of them so they express themselves freely in surveys. It also has a large percentage of runners. Correlations leading to an answer here?