Girma ran 7:23 indoors and so it's not out of the realm of possibility that at his top shape after world's, and rested, he could challenge Komen's record as well.
Someone is going to sneak up and run a 7:19? LOL. Only one guy, this year, is remotely possible of that and it's Jakob.
You don’t have to run 7:19 to break the 3000m record and yes, there are a few guys who have the ability to potentially run 7:20 and break the world record. Now Jakob does have a better chance than they do but their chances are not zero just because they are not as good as his.
Brother, unless there are jet packs strapped to their asses, no one in tge world other than jakob is capable of running anything remotely close to 7:19
You don’t have to run 7:19 to break the 3000m record and yes, there are a few guys who have the ability to potentially run 7:20 and break the world record. Now Jakob does have a better chance than they do but their chances are not zero just because they are not as good as his.
Brother, unless there are jet packs strapped to their asses, no one in tge world other than jakob is capable of running anything remotely close to 7:19
Actually they are/were. But again you folks keep moving the goal posts. I thought the record was 7:20.67. So why all this talk about 7:19? So as far as runners who could conceivably run somewhere in the vicinity of 7:20.66, one would look at Cheptegei, Kejelcha, Kiplimo, Girma, Katir and Wale for a start. All are capable of 7:25 or faster.
For 5k/10k sure great maybe it helps psychologically.
i don’t think it helps as much as you think because after the pacer drops out you’re still doing all the work. It by no means makes anything easier. My post even said if anything it HELPS the pacer know they aren’t too fast or too slow but for the athlete at least in MY EXPERIENCE it did not help. The lights were set to 1:44 pace.
In this race I was at the front and never noticed them once again could just be me but I personally don’t think it helps.
why is it that on these boards your damned if you don’t agree with the majority? Do you really think these athletes don’t get these world records without lights? Seems like a really lame cop out.
Okay congrats on your experiences and telling us about them.
I guess though the actual professionals still see the value in them continuing even after the pacemakers drop out - otherwise there would be no reason to keep them on. Interestingly in every single WR we have seen with wavelight, even without the pacers the guys going after records seem to oddly stick right next to the lights until the final 4-600m. But I guess there is no value in that based on your experience which of course (allegedly) was only over 800m.
Speaking of which - wow, you were in a 1.44 pace 800m race at Hayward? Earlier this season huh? What meet was that - I mean that's really not that much faster than what we could expect to see this weekend at the DL final. Impressive.
Do I think these athletes don't get the records without the lights? I don't think Cheptegei gets either the 5 or the 10 and I'm very skeptical Kipyegon does over the 5000m - at least not in her first damn attempt at it. Jakob beats the 2 mile by so much and it's only 8 laps I think he gets this still quite comfortably. His 2000m and Kipyegons 1500m honestly we will never know - probably yes, but a lot closer than what the actual results were.
You don’t have to run 7:19 to break the 3000m record and yes, there are a few guys who have the ability to potentially run 7:20 and break the world record. Now Jakob does have a better chance than they do but their chances are not zero just because they are not as good as his.
Brother, unless there are jet packs strapped to their asses, no one in tge world other than jakob is capable of running anything remotely close to 7:19
Earlier this season I think Girma was capable of 7:21-7:22, but he’d be my pick for second fastest 3k runner in the world this year and obviously that’s still not under 7:20.67. There are several other guys capable of 7:25 or faster, though.
I think the obvious answer is that the 3k record is more attainable for him. I think his results across 1500/2k/2 mile this year bears that out.
This thread is purely speculative: I don’t know what his plans are but if they recently changed the schedule from 5k to 3k I think a WR attempt is a plausible explanation.
I could be wrong on this but I don’t necessarily believe the rules for qualifying for the DL final are super strict—it’s not like the World Championships or the Olympics. I can completely believe that World Athletics and meet organizers would make an exception for Jakob making an attempt on a famous 27 year old record, and I wouldn’t blame them.
Given good conditions I would agree. But with high temps, sun and running in the middle of the day, that 3k WR seems a lot more difficult than the mile, even for Jakob.
He’ll be fine if they have some water stops. Then he can keep cool and still get the record.
For 5k/10k sure great maybe it helps psychologically.
i don’t think it helps as much as you think because after the pacer drops out you’re still doing all the work. It by no means makes anything easier. My post even said if anything it HELPS the pacer know they aren’t too fast or too slow but for the athlete at least in MY EXPERIENCE it did not help. The lights were set to 1:44 pace.
In this race I was at the front and never noticed them once again could just be me but I personally don’t think it helps.
why is it that on these boards your damned if you don’t agree with the majority? Do you really think these athletes don’t get these world records without lights? Seems like a really lame cop out.
The benefits to even paced running in distance events are physiological not psychological.
800m does not benefit from even paced running so the lights don't have any impact. Athletes get slower on the second lap when running optimally. The 800m generally has a slow decline in pace every 200m from the first 200, when running flat out.
If you were too far back to see them that also wouldn't help.
Brother, unless there are jet packs strapped to their asses, no one in tge world other than jakob is capable of running anything remotely close to 7:19
Actually they are/were. But again you folks keep moving the goal posts. I thought the record was 7:20.67. So why all this talk about 7:19? So as far as runners who could conceivably run somewhere in the vicinity of 7:20.66, one would look at Cheptegei, Kejelcha, Kiplimo, Girma, Katir and Wale for a start. All are capable of 7:25 or faster.
There is no F****** way katir or cheptegei run under 7:25. Kejelcha maybe 7:24 max. Guys who run 12:45 and are aerobic freaks are not going sub 7:25. Cheptegei was doped one year to the gills and maybe couldve done it then but now now
I guess where I’m trying to go with it is that when the pacers drop out you have no one to draft off of and the lights are there to show you what you need to do to get the records.
In the non WR races it’s been great to see the lights show us where athletes need to be. I’ll watch this weekend and see how many are really looking ahead. Would be interesting if there were more races where it’s about actual racing and winning where we don’t have lights and we have other races where it’s perfectly paced and you have lights. Obviously this just sounds like world championships and Olympics but I’m talking more frequent frequent races. The good news is it’s not just one athlete completely dominating the 5/10 there’s a lot of good guys in there that are interchangeable. Most of the time they run fast AND race it’s not just the Jakob show, although most of the time he will be a favorite he’s earned it.
also all of you are right with the 8 I still have no clue why we had them in the race when we had the best pacer in the world pacing and we still ran slow. Sadly no one in the US seems like they want to go run a hard time trial 8 in a race. The best 8s are overseas! Maybe I’ll give it a try next year.
There is no F****** way katir or cheptegei run under 7:25. Kejelcha maybe 7:24 max. Guys who run 12:45 and are aerobic freaks are not going sub 7:25. Cheptegei was doped one year to the gills and maybe couldve done it then but now now
You're aware that Katir has already run under 7:25 in his career (7:24.68i)? Kejelcha has run 7:26.25, but he did that with splits of 2:32/2:29/2:23.8 and led the last 1550 of the race. He could run low 7:20s in a faster-paced race with some company.
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Actually they are/were. But again you folks keep moving the goal posts. I thought the record was 7:20.67. So why all this talk about 7:19? So as far as runners who could conceivably run somewhere in the vicinity of 7:20.66, one would look at Cheptegei, Kejelcha, Kiplimo, Girma, Katir and Wale for a start. All are capable of 7:25 or faster.
There is no F****** way katir or cheptegei run under 7:25. Kejelcha maybe 7:24 max. Guys who run 12:45 and are aerobic freaks are not going sub 7:25. Cheptegei was doped one year to the gills and maybe couldve done it then but now now
Ha, Katir ran 7:24.68 indoors this winter. Kejelcha and Kiplimo closed a 12:41 5k with a 4:54 2k, which suggests sub-7:25 was quite possible for them. Cheptegei ran a 12:41 5k this year with the last 3k in 7:31.1, which means he wasn’t all that far away from 12:35 shape—it’s likely he could sneak under 7:25 with that kind of strength. Aregawi has run 7:26 twice in the past, one was indoors and he was totally solo, the other he went out suicidally fast (like 3:40.0 first 1500) and he’s better this year; he closed a 12:40 5k with a 7:30 last 3k. Getnet Wale has run 7:24.98i and Thierry Ndikumwenayo has run 7:25.93, and neither are of the same caliber as some of these other guys.
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Wrote that Katir had run 7:24.9 and then I saw THOUGHTSLEADER’s post
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