Pose Method of Training?

any one?

Pose22 wrote:

I know what you were trying to ask, and the answer is . . .

It doesn't really call for interpretation. I was very clear about what I asked. Is there a source other than the commercial website that promotes pose running that supports the theory? Better yet, is there a peer-reviewed article? This is not narrow-minded bashing. It is the least one should ask before investing time, money, and effort -- and risking one's health -- by embracing a controversial theory such as this.

If all I needed was the endorsement of a product's manufacturer, I'm sure that I would be using the pose method -- and I'd also be taking every dietary supplement at GNC.

Google's your friend, man.

"what Romanov means by certain descriptions"

What he writes is full of waffle, some part-truths, and some plain errors. What he means?? I assume that what he writes reflects what he means / thinks / understands - that would be the traditional way to go about communicating.

Pose22 wrote:

. . . ask yourself, have I really don't my best to educate myself about this topic prior to spewing on the web. Have I read the book, have I studied the articles and videos on the site, have I attended a clinic . . .

Fair enough. But I am extremely busy reading up on the possibilities of improving my fitness through touch-healing.

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Hope that helps

I'm in the process of converting to Pose after tearing meniscus cartilage and finding that my lifelong style of running hurts deep inside the planar contact surfaces of the knee joint due to impact shock and lost cushioning in my cartilage.

Pose reduces knee impact shock for several reasons:

(1) landing on the ball of the foot causes the heel, Achilles, and calve muscles to act as a spring shock absorber.

(2) Focusing on the feeling of "pulling" with the heel instead of pushing off reduces vertical oscillation, which also decreases the force transmitted upon impact.

(3) Landing with the knee slightly bent allows some shock to be absorbed by the bending of the knee, rather than directly transmitted between femur and tibia.

(4) The "S" shape of the body from the forward lean allows some of the impact shock from the upper body descending before impact to be more gradually absorbed by a slight change in the lean compared to a stiff upright Pose where the vertical movement of the upper body provides a stiffer impact.

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After tearing my lateral meniscus last summer, my knee no longer absorbs shock very well. During running, the meniscus absorbs the impact shock between femur and tibia by changing a compression vertical force into an outward expansion radial hoop force, which is held in check by the integrity of the horseshoe-shaped mensiscus and the attachment points of the meniscus on the ends of the horsehoe and at the radial edge to the joint capsule.

My running WAS pain-free and pretty much injury free as an old-fashioned "heel striker" for 28 years, 32,000 miles of casual long distance running, 10 to 15 miles 3 times a week. Afterwards I could not run more than 0.8 miles without after-effects of bone-on-bone achiness. With Pose running, a lot of that knee impact shock is dissapated elsewhere by the more elastic shape of the running form.

I would bet that as a lot of baby boomers get older and start experiencing meniscus injuries typically caused by other sports and exercises besides running, that they will also come to a point where they can no longer just take for granted their ability to run pain-free just any old way, and only if they are willing to work hard to learn a new technique that is kinder on the knees, then they might still be able to continue with running.

So I'm not doing Pose to be "more efficient" or "faster", but doing it to be able to return to my lifelong hobby.

It would be true that Africans don't use a pose-like technique if the did what you say. The problem is, they don't. You don't really know what you are talking about---that's my observation.

Guys like Coe did absolutely push off. Most westerners run differently thatn most Africans. Have you ever been to a race?

I love finding these old threads and reading them in the context of the intervening 7 years. 7 years later, and people are still adopting pose as a running technique. Interesting to see how it has stood the test of time and practice. I don't think I'd have ever taken up running at all had I not come across the technique.

Recoil wrote:

It would be true that Africans don't use a pose-like technique if the did what you say. The problem is, they don't. You don't really know what you are talking about---that's my observation.

Guys like Coe did absolutely push off. Most westerners run differently thatn most Africans. Have you ever been to a race?

This.

This running method can be traced back to CrossFits beginnings and has since been adapted by many successful runners - Salazars group, Canovas athletes, etc. So, they must be doing something right.

Runner Chris wrote:

I love finding these old threads and reading them in the context of the intervening 7 years. 7 years later, and people are still adopting pose as a running technique. Interesting to see how it has stood the test of time and practice. I don't think I'd have ever taken up running at all had I not come across the technique.

People have also taken up smoking and astrology in the last seven years.

Runner Chris wrote:

I love finding these old threads and reading them in the context of the intervening 7 years. 7 years later, and people are still adopting pose as a running technique. Interesting to see how it has stood the test of time and practice. I don't think I'd have ever taken up running at all had I not come across the technique.

It could also be interpreted to mean that NO ONE has learned anything in the last seven years! ALL the websites and Youtube videos and coaches STILL basically teach running based on a "lean forward" or "fall forward" theory of running. The problem with that is when you lean forward gravity DOES NOT push you forward, it pushes you DOWN! Unless you stick your leg out ( and SLAM your knee and lower leg into the ground) you will land on your face! The "solution" provided is shorten your stride so you don't hit the ground as hard. MY solution is "do the opposite!" In other words LEAN BACK! Start by walking. LEAN BACK and put your weight on your hips and thighs, lengthen your stride, swing your arms and hips and relax. It is a FAR FAR FAR better way to walk and run. When you lean back gravity pushes you forward! The best example I have seen is Steve Prefontaine. Look at video of him. He leans back, arches his back, sticks out his chest. He has a very smooth, easy, relaxed and fast style. Try it!

Xfit_guy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

This running method can be traced back to CrossFits beginnings and has since been adapted by many successful runners - Salazars group, Canovas athletes, etc. So, they must be doing something right.

Has it also been adopted by unsuccessful runners like Froning, who would be incapable of winning an age group bronze at a local 5k?

Xfit_guy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

This running method can be traced back to CrossFits beginnings and has since been adapted by many successful runners - Salazars group, Canovas athletes, etc. So, they must be doing something right.

Not one Salazar athlete does. Stupid F'tard.

Xfit_guy_the_real_one_1 wrote:

This running method can be traced back to CrossFits beginnings and has since been adapted by many successful runners - Salazars group, Canovas athletes, etc. So, they must be doing something right.

I can't help but marvel at your relentless stupidity.

Retardalert. wrote:

Not one Salazar athlete does. Stupid F'tard.

Yep, he changed Ritzenheins stride. It was all over the news.

I used the Pose method in 2002 to convert to a forefoot strike. I kept a journal at the time. From memory, here were the key points.

Age at start: 55

Week 0: Severe heel striker with leg straight on impact. Severe knee problems had limited my running for the previous 10 years. I could not run more than two miles without wearing Cho Pat knee straps.

Week 1: Unable to maintain pose more than 30 sec at a time.

Week 2-6: Gradually increased time that I could maintain Pose. Knee pain disappeared. Hip pointer pain began.

Week 7-12: No knee or hip pain. By week 12, I could maintain Pose for an entire 3 mile run. Pace was substantially slower than pre-Pose. I would still have to take breaks from the Pose in longer runs.

Week 12-24: No pain. Able to maintain Pose on longer runs. Still much slower than pre-Pose... just guessing, I'd say I was 20-30sec/mile slower than with my original strike.

Month 6-9: I realized that the Pose was slow and not getting appreciably faster. I began experimenting with changing the Pose method. After several failed form changes, I tried pushing off with each step. I experienced a DRAMATIC INSTANT IMPROVEMENT. Pace improved by 5sec/400meters but I couldn't hold the push off very long. Gradually began to push off more in training runs, increasing from 30sec at a time to longer.

Month 9: Ran 8 mile time trial PR in training.

Conclusion: PRO: The Pose drills are excellent. The Pose method allowed me to switch to a forefoot strike and eliminated my chronic knee problems. I've logged over 10,000 miles since changing over. CON: The Pose is not fast, at least as I interpreted the Pose. Adding push off added significant speed to the Pose Method.

If I could do it over, I would use the ChiRunning approach of Danny Dryer or Natural Running, as taught by Danny Abshire in his book Natural Running. The Pose drills are excellent, but these two other books are better at teaching an efficient forefoot running stride. As always, YMMV.

I have been doing this for years. I have a 4:15 marathon to show for it and a couple 25 minute 5Ks. The stuff works.