Here is the police report where it says Lauren Johnson told the cops Nick Johnson had prescription for both EPO and testosterone

ForFusion wrote:

Cray Cray wrote:

Okay…the dust has settled a bit from this weekend’s furor…

so curious…what’s the endgame here?

All of the hate and passion poured into this thread…what’s the accomplishment? Anything change?

It's not hate. Like I mentioned in another thread, all Addy has to do is leave Huntington and find a new coach and immediately she becomes one the most exciting and loved distance runners in the US.

The issue is she has made it clear she is 1. Not leaving Huntington 2. Not distancing herself from the Johnsons 3. Publicly diminishing the allegations that her teammates have brought forward. Sure, deny any doping allegations, but when three athletes that you personally trained with say they were sexually assaulted by your coach, you either stand with them or keep your mouth shut. The last thing you do is say, "no, they are liars. That never happened".

Cray Cray wrote:

ForFusion wrote:

It's not hate. Like I mentioned in another thread, all Addy has to do is leave Huntington and find a new coach and immediately she becomes one the most exciting and loved distance runners in the US.

The issue is she has made it clear she is 1. Not leaving Huntington 2. Not distancing herself from the Johnsons 3. Publicly diminishing the allegations that her teammates have brought forward. Sure, deny any doping allegations, but when three athletes that you personally trained with say they were sexually assaulted by your coach, you either stand with them or keep your mouth shut. The last thing you do is say, "no, they are liars. That never happened".

Okay…fair

so thr endgame is for addy to read all this and to help convince her to leave the Johnsons.

to your point…she explained why she isn’t leaving Huntington…it allows her the freedom to run a competitive schedule different from that of a typical D1 school.

so assuming she doesn’t leave…

now what?

shizzy wrote:

google leads to reality wrote:

imagine a boy runs a 2:04 800 his jr year of hs

then sr year runs the following times for 1600, winning each of them by the stated amount:
Apr 12th - Mile - 4:42 - 17sec margin of victory
May 17th - 1600 - 4:51 - 38sec margin of victory
May 24th - 1600 - 4:37 - 30sec margin of victory
June 3rd - 1600 - 4:38 - 5sec margin of victory

so he is literally never even challenged

now set up a TT for this kid with a pacer that can handle any pace

right off the bat i'd be thinking "go out at 4:28 pace the first half and then see what happens"

4:26 is not at all shocking when you look at her race results and margins of victory

1500 times for a middle distance runner are typically right around double their 800 time (if they have roughly equal ability at 800/1500), which would point to a 4:08.8 for 1500 or just under 4:27 for 1600

This is wildly misleading. Be honest with yourself here.

Cray Cray wrote:

ForFusion wrote:

It's not hate. Like I mentioned in another thread, all Addy has to do is leave Huntington and find a new coach and immediately she becomes one the most exciting and loved distance runners in the US.

The issue is she has made it clear she is 1. Not leaving Huntington 2. Not distancing herself from the Johnsons 3. Publicly diminishing the allegations that her teammates have brought forward. Sure, deny any doping allegations, but when three athletes that you personally trained with say they were sexually assaulted by your coach, you either stand with them or keep your mouth shut. The last thing you do is say, "no, they are liars. That never happened".

Okay…fair

so thr endgame is for addy to read all this and to help convince her to leave the Johnsons.

to your point…she explained why she isn’t leaving Huntington…it allows her the freedom to run a competitive schedule different from that of a typical D1 school.

so assuming she doesn’t leave…

now what?

ForReal? wrote:

ForFusion wrote:

It's not hate. Like I mentioned in another thread, all Addy has to do is leave Huntington and find a new coach and immediately she becomes one the most exciting and loved distance runners in the US.

The issue is she has made it clear she is 1. Not leaving Huntington 2. Not distancing herself from the Johnsons 3. Publicly diminishing the allegations that her teammates have brought forward. Sure, deny any doping allegations, but when three athletes that you personally trained with say they were sexually assaulted by your coach, you either stand with them or keep your mouth shut. The last thing you do is say, "no, they are liars. That never happened".

There are 4 that had a sexual relationship with Nick. 1 of the 4 (not 3 as you incorrectly wrote) made an allegation of sexual assault. AW read the texts that led her to conclude that the one claiming rape is lying. If it is easier, more popular, and the obvious path towards financial success to lie and go along with the accusations, do you do it? Or, do you side with the truth?

ForFusion wrote:

If we’re going to go this route, actually 5 HU athletes have had a sexual relationships with Nick. If you don’t see the problem right there, then idk what to tell you.

First of all, why does AW even know about this text? Second of all, if such a text exists then this investigation would’ve been thrown out a long time ago. Clearly there’s more to the story.

Your last point is a poor argument because you imply there is a 100% truth and it is out there for people/law enforcement to obtain. Once again if this were the case then there wouldn’t be an ongoing investigation. What you do in this situation (and to be honest that fact that the university/Lauren allowed her to comment on this is insane) is sympathize with the victims, then you can state that you were never taken advantage of (which would still be a lie but whatever), and then you say that you hope the courts do their job and provide timely resolution. Boom, there’s my class in PR 101.

Hemocrit Monitoring wrote:

Part of the Coach/Athlete dynamic is becoming incredibly close. The number of current coaches who are with former athletes (and hundreds more that never came to light) points to the prevalence of this kind of behavior. It is akin to movie set romances as Howard Stern consistently points out as her interviews celebrities. Nick has possibly taken this behavior to new heights, but he may not even be the top of the mountain.

The drug accusations you all are making about Nick do not mean he gave them to the athletes without monitoring their hematocrit levels. The description of his behavior is so brazen and unprofessional that there is no way his runners would not have gotten caught even by the NAIA's standards. And there were no positives. So according to Occam's Razor, he was using them for his own physical problems: kidney function and low-T.

Hemocrit Monitoring wrote:

ForFusion wrote:

If we’re going to go this route, actually 5 HU athletes have had a sexual relationships with Nick. If you don’t see the problem right there, then idk what to tell you.

First of all, why does AW even know about this text? Second of all, if such a text exists then this investigation would’ve been thrown out a long time ago. Clearly there’s more to the story.

Your last point is a poor argument because you imply there is a 100% truth and it is out there for people/law enforcement to obtain. Once again if this were the case then there wouldn’t be an ongoing investigation. What you do in this situation (and to be honest that fact that the university/Lauren allowed her to comment on this is insane) is sympathize with the victims, then you can state that you were never taken advantage of (which would still be a lie but whatever), and then you say that you hope the courts do their job and provide timely resolution. Boom, there’s my class in PR 101.

Part of the Coach/Athlete dynamic is becoming incredibly close. The number of current coaches who are with former athletes (and hundreds more that never came to light) points to the prevalence of this kind of behavior. It is akin to movie set romances as Howard Stern consistently points out as her interviews celebrities. Nick has possibly taken this behavior to new heights, but he may not even be the top of the mountain.

The drug accusations you all are making about Nick do not mean he gave them to the athletes without monitoring their hematocrit levels. The description of his behavior is so brazen and unprofessional that there is no way his runners would not have gotten caught even by the NAIA's standards. And there were no positives. So according to Occam's Razor, he was using them for his own physical problems: kidney function and low-T.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Hemocrit Monitoring wrote:

Part of the Coach/Athlete dynamic is becoming incredibly close. The number of current coaches who are with former athletes (and hundreds more that never came to light) points to the prevalence of this kind of behavior. It is akin to movie set romances as Howard Stern consistently points out as her interviews celebrities. Nick has possibly taken this behavior to new heights, but he may not even be the top of the mountain.

The drug accusations you all are making about Nick do not mean he gave them to the athletes without monitoring their hematocrit levels. The description of his behavior is so brazen and unprofessional that there is no way his runners would not have gotten caught even by the NAIA's standards. And there were no positives. So according to Occam's Razor, he was using them for his own physical problems: kidney function and low-T.

There is not much testing in the NAIA. EPO has about a week-2 week window to get caught. Testosterone can be micro dosed. He’s a disturbed individual who knows what he was doing

Show me the money wrote:

You seem to know alot about how one would dope and get away with it, so I am assuming you also would know how to get the drugs and how much they would cost. As well as the costs of monitoring all of the athletes to beat the system and not fail tests. For what you alledging to be true it would take some serious cash to dope an entire team for an entire season. The perscriptions you claim he had would be enough for one individual and be given to him in very monitored and measured perscriptions and likely paid for with insurance. There would be a record of how often they were refilled and there would be limitations on the frequency of filling them. Are you claiming the pharmacies that refilled his perscriptions are in on this alledged doping scheme and somehow gave him way more than they should have? This would be beyond the means of the coaches salary to pay for our of pocket, and the athletes alledge they were doped against their will so they didn't pay for it. So who funded this operation? If any of this were true (it is not) there would be a trail of money and suppliers and the person who bankrolled the alledged scheme. The economics of the whole thing do not add up. All of the doping claims against the coaches and runners of the Huntington program are easily proven false.

Show me the money wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

There is not much testing in the NAIA. EPO has about a week-2 week window to get caught. Testosterone can be micro dosed. He’s a disturbed individual who knows what he was doing

You seem to know alot about how one would dope and get away with it, so I am assuming you also would know how to get the drugs and how much they would cost. As well as the costs of monitoring all of the athletes to beat the system and not fail tests. For what you alledging to be true it would take some serious cash to dope an entire team for an entire season. The perscriptions you claim he had would be enough for one individual and be given to him in very monitored and measured perscriptions and likely paid for with insurance. There would be a record of how often they were refilled and there would be limitations on the frequency of filling them. Are you claiming the pharmacies that refilled his perscriptions are in on this alledged doping scheme and somehow gave him way more than they should have? This would be beyond the means of the coaches salary to pay for our of pocket, and the athletes alledge they were doped against their will so they didn't pay for it. So who funded this operation? If any of this were true (it is not) there would be a trail of money and suppliers and the person who bankrolled the alledged scheme. The economics of the whole thing do not add up. All of the doping claims against the coaches and runners of the Huntington program are easily proven false.

Legal eagle wrote:

This report is from 12/20, it's been on let's run forever. Magness and Squigs act like it's new.

Lauren Johnson, Nick Johnson and Addy all grew up in Huntington, starred in track at North Huntington High and then at HU. They are also all part of a tight-knit born again Christian community, as is HU. In a very simple way Addy is just practicing the simple Christian values of forgiveness and loyalty to family. Fortunately, we live in the USA, where Nick is innocent until proven guilty and Addy is not charged with a crime.

There's a high likelihood that this case is dropped, Nick pleads to lesser charges, or he wins at trial. While there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, there aren't really any hard facts in the evidence.

Usatf still happy to work with Addy, see if she does u23 this summer. As long as she still gets free college, she can ride out the storm. Houlihan is back soon, we can see how she is received. Perhaps Nike opens a new team for banned and accused dopers.

You could look it up wrote:

ForFusion wrote:

- no need to monitor athletes because the NAIA doesn’t test. I took one test during my time at a NAIA university and it was a basic 10 panel urine test or whatever. They are not testing for EPO/Test/etc.

Great post.

I made a similar point about NAIA testing earlier in this thread. I went on to say that if they were, AW would have told us. A few minutes later, an anon user posting as Razor123 posted the following list. When he/she posted this list a month ago, he/she said it showed that AW is being tested more than any other college athlete. He/She also has refused to say how they got the list or who is doing the out-of-competition testing. It could be NAIA or it could be the AIU; it isn't USADA, since they only show that they have collected 3 samples from her.

Who knows whether the list is real or fake. If it's real, it had to come from one of 2 or 3 people.

Make of it what you will:

Out of competition test 10/11
Post Cross country Nationals Test 11/2
Out of competition test 2/20
Post USATF Road mile 4/25
Out of competition test 5/15
*Plus two passed USADA tests

PS That she is being tested this much may only be a sign that she is running well. Or it may be a sign that she is running well and that some drugs authority has reason to be suspicious that she is doping.