No charges for the guy who put him in a headlock and had the guts to do what every commuter wants to do. Finally, NYC does something sensible!
I am completely shocked by this response, and the response of the general population on this situation.
Where did your working souls go? You actually think Jordan Neely deserved to be murdered because he was disruptive on the subway?
Let me start by saying I am a pretty petite woman and I have lived in NYC for many years. I have also lived in other cities. The subway in NYC is by far the worst in terms of people being unruly, disruptive and even threatening and then sometimes annoying.
I strongly believed that there needs to be a crackdown on these people: the ones who do a loud jingle, or who street dance, or who solicit and bark for the attention of the whole subway car for money. And there certainly needs to be protection against those who act in a way that is threatening to others. I have been fearful on those cars of people based on the way they behave. I have been fearful on the street.
Having someone restrain someone who moves to hurt another person would be one thing...
But to be held in a chokehold for fifteen minutes, and murdered????
No.
Nope.
Nooooo way.
Honestly I am more fearful someone who feels entitled to snuff the life out of another human being like that, than I am of anything Jordan Neely could have possibly done. And it's scary to think that he just got away with taking someone's life so easily. What's next?
in Texas someone was murdered recently because they scammed a man into thinking he had to pay for parking. Murdered. Over 40 dollars.
Anyways--the idea that we feel entitled to murder someone because they scare us is NOT the same thing as self defense. You're not entitled to take someone's life away because their behavior scares you, or annoys you, or if they even scam you.
lmao just want to clarify when I said "pretty petite" I meant "very petite" not "pretty, petite"
No charges for the guy who put him in a headlock and had the guts to do what every commuter wants to do. Finally, NYC does something sensible!
I am completely shocked by this response, and the response of the general population on this situation.
Where did your working souls go? You actually think Jordan Neely deserved to be murdered because he was disruptive on the subway?
Let me start by saying I am a pretty petite woman and I have lived in NYC for many years. I have also lived in other cities. The subway in NYC is by far the worst in terms of people being unruly, disruptive and even threatening and then sometimes annoying.
I strongly believed that there needs to be a crackdown on these people: the ones who do a loud jingle, or who street dance, or who solicit and bark for the attention of the whole subway car for money. And there certainly needs to be protection against those who act in a way that is threatening to others. I have been fearful on those cars of people based on the way they behave. I have been fearful on the street.
Having someone restrain someone who moves to hurt another person would be one thing...
But to be held in a chokehold for fifteen minutes, and murdered????
No.
Nope.
Nooooo way.
Honestly I am more fearful someone who feels entitled to snuff the life out of another human being like that, than I am of anything Jordan Neely could have possibly done. And it's scary to think that he just got away with taking someone's life so easily. What's next?
in Texas someone was murdered recently because they scammed a man into thinking he had to pay for parking. Murdered. Over 40 dollars.
Anyways--the idea that we feel entitled to murder someone because they scare us is NOT the same thing as self defense. You're not entitled to take someone's life away because their behavior scares you, or annoys you, or if they even scam you.
At what point should someone intervene? At what point does restraining become murder? The DA is investigating and the marine is going to brought up on charges.
Although I agree with most of your post, I just don't think it's murder.
When we refer to people as "criminals" we reduce their humanity and allow for loser "heros" to murder for no reason
I’ll reserve judgement on the marine’s actions until I get more details but I think you have this part backwards. People who are criminals don’t lose their humanity when they are called criminals; they lose their humanity when they become criminals.
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Would you rather have waited for the Marine to act until after someone was assaulted or killed? The tolerance for insanity by the left is....insane.
You don't understand legal versus illegal use of deadly force.
The choke hold is not naturally deadly force, it's just meant disable, in this case, and incredibly violent person. It's the same as if he shot him in the leg, and disabled him, but then he bled out. That would be an accident. They had to keep him restrained until police came, because he would likely try to murder them if they released him. Maybe the choke hold was too tight for too long, but again, you won't be able to tell this.
Its 180 degree difference from Derrick Chauvin, who was the police, and could have just hand cuffed him, pepper sprayed him, sat on him with his butt, etc.
I am completely shocked by this response, and the response of the general population on this situation.
Where did your working souls go? You actually think Jordan Neely deserved to be murdered because he was disruptive on the subway?
Let me start by saying I am a pretty petite woman and I have lived in NYC for many years. I have also lived in other cities. The subway in NYC is by far the worst in terms of people being unruly, disruptive and even threatening and then sometimes annoying.
I strongly believed that there needs to be a crackdown on these people: the ones who do a loud jingle, or who street dance, or who solicit and bark for the attention of the whole subway car for money. And there certainly needs to be protection against those who act in a way that is threatening to others. I have been fearful on those cars of people based on the way they behave. I have been fearful on the street.
Having someone restrain someone who moves to hurt another person would be one thing...
But to be held in a chokehold for fifteen minutes, and murdered????
No.
Nope.
Nooooo way.
Honestly I am more fearful someone who feels entitled to snuff the life out of another human being like that, than I am of anything Jordan Neely could have possibly done. And it's scary to think that he just got away with taking someone's life so easily. What's next?
in Texas someone was murdered recently because they scammed a man into thinking he had to pay for parking. Murdered. Over 40 dollars.
Anyways--the idea that we feel entitled to murder someone because they scare us is NOT the same thing as self defense. You're not entitled to take someone's life away because their behavior scares you, or annoys you, or if they even scam you.
At what point should someone intervene? At what point does restraining become murder? The DA is investigating and the marine is going to brought up on charges.
Although I agree with most of your post, I just don't think it's murder.
a chokehold is not restraint, and if you think it is, then kindly never intervene on a situation like this ever.
At what point should someone intervene? At what point does restraining become murder? The DA is investigating and the marine is going to brought up on charges.
Although I agree with most of your post, I just don't think it's murder.
a chokehold is not restraint, and if you think it is, then kindly never intervene on a situation like this ever.
How many times can you be wrong in this thread?
Id say the chokehold did a pretty good job restraining the thug. Maybe people will think twice before disturbing the rest of society.
Scores of people have been assaulted by crazy homeless people in the NYC subway over the past couple years. Innocent commuters have been pushed in front of trains. Old people sucker punched and killed. Does anyone protest for those victims? No
But here, a citizen, not a trained cop, restrains a man acting erratically and threatening people who are all stuck with him inside a subway car with no way to avoid the crazed person. This is what gets people out to protest?
Witnesses there said they did not expect the man would die being restrained.
As someone who commutes to NYC, I can't blame the guy for restraining the man. It's a scary situation being locked in a subway car with someone behaving and talking crazy like that.
Have you taken the subway? You are not locked the the car. This was not a 15:17 to Paris scenario that played out on the F train.
At least 23 were injured, five critically, in an attack at the 36th Street stop in Sunset Park after a man released two smoke grenades and started shooting.
Id say the chokehold did a pretty good job restraining the thug. Maybe people will think twice before disturbing the rest of society.
Crazy people don't think twice.
can you define "disturbing society"? Witnesses said this man loudly yelled about not having food or water and expressed wanting to hurt...HIMSELF. he did not personally threaten anyone else. He was not armed.
What "disturbing society" line to do you have to cross so that it's justifiable for a stranger to slowly and painfully kill you in front of others?
What about that young lady who pulled into the wrong driveway and was shot to death in upstate NY? Did she disturb that man so much he was justified in murdering her? He DOES have no trespassing signs on his property. Or the young man who rang the wrong doorbell DISTURBING the man who owned the house?
What about someone who's upset because they were just fired from a job, and is crying? What about an autistic person having a meltdown? A person with schizophrenia having an episode? What about that guy who catcalls on the street? Are these all offenses that justify murder?
Is laughing a little too loud with friends on the subway disturbing society? Is getting in a loud fight with a partner in public disturbing society? Are instagram influencers constantly setting up photoshoots in crowded spaces disturbing to society? Are solicitors, subway musicians disturbing?
Disturbing society can have a lot of meanings but if grabbing someone from behind and strangling the life out of them because you were uncomfortable with how they were behaving isn't disturbing society, I'm not sure what is.
can you define "disturbing society"? Witnesses said this man loudly yelled about not having food or water and expressed wanting to hurt...HIMSELF. he did not personally threaten anyone else. He was not armed.
What "disturbing society" line to do you have to cross so that it's justifiable for a stranger to slowly and painfully kill you in front of others?
What about that young lady who pulled into the wrong driveway and was shot to death in upstate NY? Did she disturb that man so much he was justified in murdering her? He DOES have no trespassing signs on his property. Or the young man who rang the wrong doorbell DISTURBING the man who owned the house?
What about someone who's upset because they were just fired from a job, and is crying? What about an autistic person having a meltdown? A person with schizophrenia having an episode? What about that guy who catcalls on the street? Are these all offenses that justify murder?
Is laughing a little too loud with friends on the subway disturbing society? Is getting in a loud fight with a partner in public disturbing society? Are instagram influencers constantly setting up photoshoots in crowded spaces disturbing to society? Are solicitors, subway musicians disturbing?
Disturbing society can have a lot of meanings but if grabbing someone from behind and strangling the life out of them because you were uncomfortable with how they were behaving isn't disturbing society, I'm not sure what is.
Talk about hysterical, yeesh.
to answer your questions as concisely as I can: yes, most of those situations disturb society.
But now it’s time for the nuance to come into play (which might be hard for you). If someone is threatening to hurt anyone else (themselves included) it elevates the situation and is cause for interference by a third party.
If he was threatening to hurt himself then the marine did him a favor anyway.
can you define "disturbing society"? Witnesses said this man loudly yelled about not having food or water and expressed wanting to hurt...HIMSELF. he did not personally threaten anyone else. He was not armed.
What "disturbing society" line to do you have to cross so that it's justifiable for a stranger to slowly and painfully kill you in front of others?
What about that young lady who pulled into the wrong driveway and was shot to death in upstate NY? Did she disturb that man so much he was justified in murdering her? He DOES have no trespassing signs on his property. Or the young man who rang the wrong doorbell DISTURBING the man who owned the house?
What about someone who's upset because they were just fired from a job, and is crying? What about an autistic person having a meltdown? A person with schizophrenia having an episode? What about that guy who catcalls on the street? Are these all offenses that justify murder?
Is laughing a little too loud with friends on the subway disturbing society? Is getting in a loud fight with a partner in public disturbing society? Are instagram influencers constantly setting up photoshoots in crowded spaces disturbing to society? Are solicitors, subway musicians disturbing?
Disturbing society can have a lot of meanings but if grabbing someone from behind and strangling the life out of them because you were uncomfortable with how they were behaving isn't disturbing society, I'm not sure what is.
Talk about hysterical, yeesh.
to answer your questions as concisely as I can: yes, most of those situations disturb society.
But now it’s time for the nuance to come into play (which might be hard for you). If someone is threatening to hurt anyone else (themselves included) it elevates the situation and is cause for interference by a third party.
If he was threatening to hurt himself then the marine did him a favor anyway.
If someone is threatening to hurt themselves, you'd think that the noble thing to do would be to get them to help, not kill them yourself. It's sick to think otherwise, frankly. Again, I'd say slowly murdering someone in public is the most disturbing thing to society. Period.
to answer your questions as concisely as I can: yes, most of those situations disturb society.
But now it’s time for the nuance to come into play (which might be hard for you). If someone is threatening to hurt anyone else (themselves included) it elevates the situation and is cause for interference by a third party.
If he was threatening to hurt himself then the marine did him a favor anyway.
If someone is threatening to hurt themselves, you'd think that the noble thing to do would be to get them to help, not kill them yourself. It's sick to think otherwise, frankly. Again, I'd say slowly murdering someone in public is the most disturbing thing to society. Period.
This is typical emotions over logic talking.
At that moment in time what exact help did you want to appear.
I also don’t know why there are protests over the marines release when the MO of the New York City justice system is to release anyone and everyone.
If someone is threatening to hurt themselves, you'd think that the noble thing to do would be to get them to help, not kill them yourself. It's sick to think otherwise, frankly. Again, I'd say slowly murdering someone in public is the most disturbing thing to society. Period.
This is typical emotions over logic talking.
At that moment in time what exact help did you want to appear.
I also don’t know why there are protests over the marines release when the MO of the New York City justice system is to release anyone and everyone.
No honey,
What's emotional is the brash decision to slowly kill someone because you are personally uncomfortable and fearful. He was not being personally threatened.
At that moment in time what exact help did you want to appear.
I also don’t know why there are protests over the marines release when the MO of the New York City justice system is to release anyone and everyone.
No honey,
What's emotional is the brash decision to slowly kill someone because you are personally uncomfortable and fearful. He was not being personally threatened.
You must live a very cushy and sheltered life. I’m glad you have never been threatened enough to fear for you life. Clearly that doesn’t stop you from armchair quarterbacking this guy though.
The decision was most likely neither brash nor illegal.
What's emotional is the brash decision to slowly kill someone because you are personally uncomfortable and fearful. He was not being personally threatened.
You must live a very cushy and sheltered life. I’m glad you have never been threatened enough to fear for you life. Clearly that doesn’t stop you from armchair quarterbacking this guy though.
The decision was most likely neither brash nor illegal.
lol it seems like you just wish you could kill someone in public and get away with it. You prob couldn’t though, you prob aren’t physically strong enough.
You must live a very cushy and sheltered life. I’m glad you have never been threatened enough to fear for you life. Clearly that doesn’t stop you from armchair quarterbacking this guy though.
The decision was most likely neither brash nor illegal.
lol it seems like you just wish you could kill someone in public and get away with it. You prob couldn’t though, you prob aren’t physically strong enough.
you’re very unhinged and angry though.
Left loves to call people angry. I’ve displayed no anger here. In fact, I’m pretty happy. The idiots in NYC are starting to see the consequences for their actions.
I don’t wish to kill anybody but I have no sympathy when someone wins a Darwin Award.
lol it seems like you just wish you could kill someone in public and get away with it. You prob couldn’t though, you prob aren’t physically strong enough.
you’re very unhinged and angry though.
Left loves to call people angry. I’ve displayed no anger here. In fact, I’m pretty happy. The idiots in NYC are starting to see the consequences for their actions.
I don’t wish to kill anybody but I have no sympathy when someone wins a Darwin Award.
You don't sound happy. You sound angry. If someone feels they are happy when another human being is killed, usually it means that underneath that superficial happiness is a lot of anger, frustration, and insecurity.
Left loves to call people angry. I’ve displayed no anger here. In fact, I’m pretty happy. The idiots in NYC are starting to see the consequences for their actions.
I don’t wish to kill anybody but I have no sympathy when someone wins a Darwin Award.
You don't sound happy. You sound angry. If someone feels they are happy when another human being is killed, usually it means that underneath that superficial happiness is a lot of anger, frustration, and insecurity.
Naw, studies have shown people with my political persuasion are happier than you lot who want to cry over some guy you never met who messed with the wrong guy at the wrong time. It’s you all who start threads over this.
