We changed the title to make it more accuarte. Initially the title of the thread was, "HS Coach has his own athlete DQ'd". Please note the athlete ran the mile under protest and finished high enough to qualify to states if him being scratched is overturned.
This is how and why bullies think they can act the way they do.
This is how sports work. The coach puts in the lineup. The coach takes players out. THe coach makes substitutions. one person is in charge. if that person does a poor job, they should be evaluated and consequences handed out after.
if you can't handle authority, find another way to accomplish your goals. this is real life
High school xc coach you are describing coaching as a unilateral job of being “in charge” of setting lineups. If that is the way you coach your hs teams I feel sorry for the assistant coaches and athletes on those teams.
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Are we sure this is even how it went down? Is it possible that this 9:23/1:57/4:17 who ran 9:53/2:11/4:37 was trying to run through injury or illness and the HC scratched him out of concern for the athlete? I wasn’t there, but it sounds like a lot of posters here are making a lot of assumptions.
Or maybe the kid intentionally dogged the race, and the coach scratched him for it. Why is that a problem? Imagine any other sport. Kid doesn’t run hard on a ground ball to SS - coach sits the kid - y’all mad? WR doesn’t block on a running play - coach sits the kid - y’all mad? Guard doesn’t get back on defense - coach sits the kid - y’all mad? I don’t understand the perspective here.
The two coaches arguing on the infield isn’t cool, but the idea that the kid should get a pass if he intentionally dogs a race is some absolute nonsense.
At the FHSAA 4A District 10 meet, the Viera HS Head coach had his own runner, Aedan Rendek, DQ'd from the 1600 because he "didn't run hard enough" in the 800 earlier. Kid also ran the 3200. Here's video of the head coach and the distance coach arguing at the starting line.
I guess Rendek was DQ'd from everything and his season is over. I've been a coach for 20 years and I have never seen anything like this. I think this is seriously F'd up.
This athlete is a CHUMP. His slower teammate almost won the 800 off of less rest coming off of the 4x8 (the 3200 was BEFORE the 4x8s). Actually his teammate would have won but he was impeded w/ 100 meters to go. That same teammate also ran the 1600 as his 3rd event and still scored (7th).
The DQ'd kid should be ashamed of being such a coward. Everyone praising the distance coach is wrong. She should have had this athlete fit enough and ready enough to triple and SHE FAILED.
At the FHSAA 4A District 10 meet, the Viera HS Head coach had his own runner, Aedan Rendek, DQ'd from the 1600 because he "didn't run hard enough" in the 800 earlier. Kid also ran the 3200. Here's video of the head coach and the distance coach arguing at the starting line.
I guess Rendek was DQ'd from everything and his season is over. I've been a coach for 20 years and I have never seen anything like this. I think this is seriously F'd up.
This athlete is a CHUMP. His slower teammate almost won the 800 off of less rest coming off of the 4x8 (the 3200 was BEFORE the 4x8s). Actually his teammate would have won but he was impeded w/ 100 meters to go. That same teammate also ran the 1600 as his 3rd event and still scored (7th).
The DQ'd kid should be ashamed of being such a coward. Everyone praising the distance coach is wrong. She should have had this athlete fit enough and ready enough to triple and SHE FAILED.
The teammate that finished 7th in the 1600, ran a 4:55. his PR was a 4:34, running 4:34 in his last three 1600s. He ran 20 seconds slower than normal and didn’t qualify. The 4x8, 800, 1600 is an easier triple than the 3200,800,1600.
Foolish HS coaches are out there. When they repeatedly cross the line of health (our son’s JRA autoimmune disease) and academics (graduated top in honors program at a UC) an adult needs to intervene. A shy and respectful 17yo (who was kicked off the team) should not be expected to deal with a coach and athletic director. My biggest regret not threatening to get an attorney, the coach/teacher thing is not to be underestimated.
10 years later the coach has - completely - destroyed a once power house distance program.
Smiling and laughing during a “race” definitely is something that I would have kicked you off the team for. And I would have made an example of you. Teens are incredibly impressionable, your lackadaisical attitude is like a cancer on a competitive team. Take it seriously or don’t join a competitive team in the first place.
This is why most people you know hate you. Is it worth being a big man to have no friends? sad.
I think I have the best possible response from the Girls Head Coach/Distance Coach.
If the Boys Head Coach/Sprints Coach used his authority to pull the runner due to him being on the boys team, then I think the Girls Head Coach should have responded with, "If you pull him out of the 1600, then I am going to use my authority as the Girls Head Coach and pull all the girls out of the 200 and pull the girls' 4x400 relay team." Maybe he would have relented and let the kid run.
Our school went to some invite, but one guy, a vaulter I think, wasn't competing, coach pulled him/didn't register him. Nobody asked or said anything more, the coach didn't s**t. Some jv football players were yelling p**sy and similar directed at our team, after grabbing the face mask and giving an a$$ chewing no one ever tried that again. There was lore that a few years before at state xc someone got pulled. Didn't matter if your were 1st or 7th runner. There was until recently there was an athlete from my school who held a state record for well over 20 years so not a bad coach.
They are the coach, you are they kid. Their rules, and unless there is abuse of some sort, their domain.
This is how sports work. The coach puts in the lineup. The coach takes players out. THe coach makes substitutions. one person is in charge. if that person does a poor job, they should be evaluated and consequences handed out after.
if you can't handle authority, find another way to accomplish your goals. this is real life
High school xc coach you are describing coaching as a unilateral job of being “in charge” of setting lineups. If that is the way you coach your hs teams I feel sorry for the assistant coaches and athletes on those teams.
i am not describing coaching as that, but the head coach has final decision. if they go to clerking or the scoring table and say their runner is out, they are out. it doesn't matter if it was a reasonable decision.
im not sure if most of you understand how high school track meets work. i have not absolved this coach of any wrong doing at all. but the coach does have final say over entries and scratches.
Add me to the list of people who are surprised that so many posters here think running a triple is too much. I ran high school track in Florida during the mid to late 90’s, and I tripled on an almost weekly basis: a leg on the 4x800 plus the 1600 and 3200. I had no problem running all-out each race each week. Plus doing hard intervals at least twice per week in the middle of the week. Plus weekly duel meets against a nearby local school. It was fine! My times weirdly stagnated after my sophomore year, and I have a strong sense I never realized my potential, but I was happy to do what I could to score as many points as possible for my team. On second thought…
yeah, that coach probably doesn’t know what he’s doing.
you do realize that period of time was arguably the low-point of US high school distance running in the past 60 years?
I don't know enough about the situation to comment what is right or wrong. It could be that everybody is wrong.
But one thing i know for sure is that if the head coach scratches you from an event, the kid should not be going to the line to try to race and the assistant coach should not be supporting that.
they are 100% wrong for that, even if the head coach is the biggest @ss in the world
Maybe we should normalize not racing distance kids 3-4 times per meet.
In the 80's in TN if you ran the 3200m you were only allowed to compete in one other race. While it is very limiting, I can see why we used to have it in place.
The coach is an adult at a meet that is supposed to be about kids not coaches.. This guy is on a powertrip and doesn't put what is best for his team nor for any of his athletes first...
The whole not an honest effort thing is kinda stupid too... I can easliy go out a crank a sub 9:50 2 mile. But would take me a month of lots of speed to run a 2:11 800... yes he has run faster but context here is he is giving the best effort to run 3 races in a day.. 2:11 a couple hours after a 9:50 isn't too unreasonable for a highschooler, with a 1:57 PR, who is still learning the sport.
High school xc coach you are describing coaching as a unilateral job of being “in charge” of setting lineups. If that is the way you coach your hs teams I feel sorry for the assistant coaches and athletes on those teams.
i am not describing coaching as that, but the head coach has final decision. if they go to clerking or the scoring table and say their runner is out, they are out. it doesn't matter if it was a reasonable decision.
im not sure if most of you understand how high school track meets work. i have not absolved this coach of any wrong doing at all. but the coach does have final say over entries and scratches.
two head coaches on the team. the sprint coach, who is given the role of head boys coach for stipend reasons, wanted to dq the distance athlete. the distance coach, who is given role of head girls coach for stipend reasons, knew how ridiculous her fellow head coaches demands were and basically told him to fk off.
I don’t even need to watch the video to know this coach is either:
1. Black, or
2. an old white former military guy.
Do tell me if I’m wrong but I’ve been involved in FL track for 25 years. It is exactly those two demographics that act like this around here. A lot of big ego “my way or the highway” attitudes within those two demographics.
I would think that "not military but white and southern" would be a strong possibility here. There's a lot of overlap between those cultures. Wouldn't bet against you though.
Are we sure this is even how it went down? Is it possible that this 9:23/1:57/4:17 who ran 9:53/2:11/4:37 was trying to run through injury or illness and the HC scratched him out of concern for the athlete? I wasn’t there, but it sounds like a lot of posters here are making a lot of assumptions.
Or maybe the kid intentionally dogged the race, and the coach scratched him for it. Why is that a problem? Imagine any other sport. Kid doesn’t run hard on a ground ball to SS - coach sits the kid - y’all mad? WR doesn’t block on a running play - coach sits the kid - y’all mad? Guard doesn’t get back on defense - coach sits the kid - y’all mad? I don’t understand the perspective here.
The two coaches arguing on the infield isn’t cool, but the idea that the kid should get a pass if he intentionally dogs a race is some absolute nonsense.
Your analogy to other sports is ridiculous... this would be like a coach benching that short stop and leaving the position empty... Or better yet doing that to a pitcher and forefitting the game. you can't swap runners in meets like this.
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