One realizes that maybe the top 3 states could be selected, maybe, but then there are probably 20-25 states, like Iowa, that have had so many good runners also that this is an impossible task. And some of the state champions were never pressed so we don’t know how they would, as the cream rises to the top, fare against other superstars…
My other comment will surely get deleted, so i’ll try to respond seriously to one of the most unserious opinions i’ve ever come across.
Colin is a 3:56 miler who won a national championship in cross country while running 14:03 on grass, 14:26 at woodward, and 8:33 on the track.
Nico is a national champion, former nxn record holder, the fastest ever over 3000m, and formerly, fastest californian over 5000m
Leo is a 3:40 1500 runner who was the top non east african at world junior xc, and a 14:25 guy at woodward park.
And I’m not even mentioning the guy who took nicos nxn record or the 2nd fastest high school 5000m runner ever.
Please give me a coherent train of logic as to why one of these people wouldn’t be top 5, much less 3 or more of them. So far the only possibilities I can come up with are:
1. you bought hard into speed ratings/the notion that woodward is running 15-25 seconds faster.
2. you think the spikes are worth 3-4 seconds a mile.
3. you’re an old head who can’t admit the newer generation actually has talented individuals.
None of these are rational.
I love Meb. He’s one of my favorite runners of all time. His high school self is getting beat by probably all 5 of these guys at their best.
Yeah, I'm not understanding this thread. I mentioned Newbury Park earlier and the thread seemed to ignore it.
I grew up in Michigan and saw many of the top runners first hand, including Todd Williams, Brian Grosso and Brian Hyde
Newbury Park 2021 would beat Michigan's all-star team of runners from all eras combined.
The state that includes Newbury Park and can replace a few of the runners (maybe two or three of them) with all-time greats from other eras wins.
My other comment will surely get deleted, so i’ll try to respond seriously to one of the most unserious opinions i’ve ever come across.
Colin is a 3:56 miler who won a national championship in cross country while running 14:03 on grass, 14:26 at woodward, and 8:33 on the track.
Nico is a national champion, former nxn record holder, the fastest ever over 3000m, and formerly, fastest californian over 5000m
Leo is a 3:40 1500 runner who was the top non east african at world junior xc, and a 14:25 guy at woodward park.
And I’m not even mentioning the guy who took nicos nxn record or the 2nd fastest high school 5000m runner ever.
Please give me a coherent train of logic as to why one of these people wouldn’t be top 5, much less 3 or more of them. So far the only possibilities I can come up with are:
1. you bought hard into speed ratings/the notion that woodward is running 15-25 seconds faster.
2. you think the spikes are worth 3-4 seconds a mile.
3. you’re an old head who can’t admit the newer generation actually has talented individuals.
None of these are rational.
I love Meb. He’s one of my favorite runners of all time. His high school self is getting beat by probably all 5 of these guys at their best.
Yeah, I'm not understanding this thread. I mentioned Newbury Park earlier and the thread seemed to ignore it.
I grew up in Michigan and saw many of the top runners first hand, including Todd Williams, Brian Grosso and Brian Hyde
Newbury Park 2021 would beat Michigan's all-star team of runners from all eras combined.
The state that includes Newbury Park and can replace a few of the runners (maybe two or three of them) with all-time greats from other eras wins.
The question has been answered.
I’d give michigan some more credit. I could certainly see NP going 2-3-4-8-10 to win 27-28, and I could even see 2021 aaron finishing higher than 8.
But it’s possible the MI team breaks up the top few as well. A team of Dathan, Grant, Grosso, Hough, and ??? could easily win. Kessler is an interesting factor at play too. Probably an 8:32ish 2-miler by senior spring, but only second at MI xc states iirc.
Don’t know much about Williams, pretty funny looking him up and seeing that his college PRs (he luckily peaked as a pro) were about what Lex was running last year.
If NP gets 2022 aaron and 2019 nico as well, it’d be easier for them.
CT wouldn't win but I'm going to throw it up anyways:
Hannah DiBalsi
Meghan Owen
Cece Hopp
Liz Mueller
Jan Merrill
Gavin Coombs
Donn Cabral
Gavin Sherry
Amby Burfoot
John J Kelley
Ostberg or however it’s spelled is clearly over Sherry here. I’d throw in Michael LeDuc as an honorable mention for the DIII representation, NCAA XC champion, 2x steeple champion, and probably approaching 10 AAs.
Yeah, I'm not understanding this thread. I mentioned Newbury Park earlier and the thread seemed to ignore it.
I grew up in Michigan and saw many of the top runners first hand, including Todd Williams, Brian Grosso and Brian Hyde
Newbury Park 2021 would beat Michigan's all-star team of runners from all eras combined.
The state that includes Newbury Park and can replace a few of the runners (maybe two or three of them) with all-time greats from other eras wins.
The question has been answered.
I’d give michigan some more credit. I could certainly see NP going 2-3-4-8-10 to win 27-28, and I could even see 2021 aaron finishing higher than 8.
But it’s possible the MI team breaks up the top few as well. A team of Dathan, Grant, Grosso, Hough, and ??? could easily win. Kessler is an interesting factor at play too. Probably an 8:32ish 2-miler by senior spring, but only second at MI xc states iirc.
Don’t know much about Williams, pretty funny looking him up and seeing that his college PRs (he luckily peaked as a pro) were about what Lex was running last year.
If NP gets 2022 aaron and 2019 nico as well, it’d be easier for them.
Kessler was technically second, but it was a race run in 2 “heats” due to COVID and the winner was not in the same race as him.
CA has 3x the population (39 million people) vs. IL (12.7 million) and California also has way better weather for training.
Compare runner's success after college, when they go pro. I mean, looking at ON Athletics roster: Alisha Monson is from WI, Jared Nuguse is from KY, Klecker is from MN. People are from all over.
California only needs two families to dominate so maybe a total population of about 10?
My other comment will surely get deleted, so i’ll try to respond seriously to one of the most unserious opinions i’ve ever come across.
Colin is a 3:56 miler who won a national championship in cross country while running 14:03 on grass, 14:26 at woodward, and 8:33 on the track.
Nico is a national champion, former nxn record holder, the fastest ever over 3000m, and formerly, fastest californian over 5000m
Leo is a 3:40 1500 runner who was the top non east african at world junior xc, and a 14:25 guy at woodward park.
And I’m not even mentioning the guy who took nicos nxn record or the 2nd fastest high school 5000m runner ever.
Please give me a coherent train of logic as to why one of these people wouldn’t be top 5, much less 3 or more of them. So far the only possibilities I can come up with are:
1. you bought hard into speed ratings/the notion that woodward is running 15-25 seconds faster.
2. you think the spikes are worth 3-4 seconds a mile.
3. you’re an old head who can’t admit the newer generation actually has talented individuals.
None of these are rational.
I love Meb. He’s one of my favorite runners of all time. His high school self is getting beat by probably all 5 of these guys at their best.
Yeah, I'm not understanding this thread. I mentioned Newbury Park earlier and the thread seemed to ignore it.
I grew up in Michigan and saw many of the top runners first hand, including Todd Williams, Brian Grosso and Brian Hyde
Newbury Park 2021 would beat Michigan's all-star team of runners from all eras combined.
The state that includes Newbury Park and can replace a few of the runners (maybe two or three of them) with all-time greats from other eras wins.
The question has been answered.
Maybe I misread it and I’m not inclined to double check, but I didn’t see this as a “which state is best” thread. Rather, “what is the all the star team from each of the 50 states.”