Alberto Salazar Should do a Media Tour and DENY any wrongdoing

That is quite the allegation!

Since the prime defense in defamation is the truth, not being able to prove it as true could well mean a judgment in favor of Salazar. See Jesse Ventura v Chris Kyle since it would be very similar. Kyle (well his estate) could never prove that Ventura said what was alleged and could not produce evidence or witnesses that Kyle ever punched him. Kyle lost. Ventura never had to prove he did not say those things or that we was never punched.

At a trial if Goucher said it happened on a certain date and Salazar could show he was not with her that day it would be in included, but again the burden is on her to show it is not a lie.

Again, if I accused you of killing someone, would you have to prove you never have?

I did not say it “satisfies” me. Where do you get that? Kara’s assertions do not satisfy me either. If I am innocent I am going to eviscerate the accuser. You are apparently a passive type of person.

If Salazar sued Goucher for defamation, she doesn't "win anything" by proving her claims to be true...she's simply defending herself with any opposing evidence she can provide to dispute his claim and sway a jury or judge to side with her. She's simply the defendant.

Salazar then either loses the case to a jury or judge and it's dismissed or he wins. If she wants to counter sue, she can, but that doesn't mean she'll win either. Another jury or judge may see things differently than the first jury or judge. Let's just say that I know this first hand and have witnessed it more than once.

Yes, it's libel but it's surely slander as well. You have to be smart enough to realize that she would have told people, correct? If she told no one what she put in writing, that surely doesn't bode well for her story as she'd want witnesses to swear under oath where and when she shared her claims with them.

I don't know where I saw it, but she went on once about a top female runner having a rough year because of a bad breakup (I can't remember her name at the moment but she was a sub 2:30 marathoner for sure). You don't think she would have told all of her fellow female running friends what she claimed Alberto did? Why not? Why would she keep it a secret? And if she did, none of them would say go to the police? That doesn't add up and again a decent defense attorney would have a field day with her.

People put lots of things in writing, but that doesn't make it true. Words are very powerful and can sway people's opinion on things. Just look at how many claimed to have read her book and have already convicted Alberto. Is that fair? You can't convict him just because you don't like him.

The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but we may never know. With that said, you can't claim he's guilty because of words in a book as that's not nearly strong enough to convict anyone in a real courtroom.

Carry on.

Lynn Jennings never went to the police about John Babington.

I don’t see this story as purely good vs. bad. I think Alberto is scum, and I also think that Kara is not being completely forthcoming about PED use.

I will say, if there were ever a civil trial, there is plenty in Kara’s book that an opposing attorney could use against her. For example:

How many of you realize that the two massages in which Kara alleges Salazar assaulted her took place in foreign countries? Once in Portugal and once in Italy, both times in her hotel room on the bed. She says every other massage Salazar ever gave her was “normal,” including every massage that took place in the States (though I question how “normal” it is for Salazar to be massaging his runners - what a freaking weirdo). This is why there will never be criminal charges against Salazar in the US for any of this, and why witnesses for any type of trial would be hard to find.

Kara also briefly mentions in her book an incident in which Salazar was giving her a massage on the bed in his master bedroom, and his wife expectedly walked in on them. She talks in the book about all the equipment he had in his garage (alterG treadmill, etc.), but apparently that didn’t include a massage table. Weird story.

She also wrote that a friend and a family member both expressed their concerns with her that people might think she and Salazar were having an affair based on how they acted around one another, including a time when she sat in his lap in an overcrowded shuttle van. They also travelled alone together to meets, and at least once came and left a party together.

This isn’t saying Kara is a liar and what she says Salazar did to her didn’t happen, only that a civil trial wouldn’t necessarily be the slam dunk some people think it would be. These two people had a professional relationship for almost a decade. It would be hard for either of them to prove the other one was lying, and most likely why she decided to share her story in a book and not from the witness stand.

So it appears as if Kara led Alberto on and flirted with him. Well one can never be too careful as a man. Alberto should have kept strict boundaries with a tease like that and not massaged her.

Not in the least. No one deserves to be assaulted. This thread has edged into a discussion of a civil case between the two, and how that might go. I would think Salazar would most likely claim he didn’t assault her, and he could cast doubt on her claims using statements from her book.

I’m curious, did you read the book?

Why did she sit in his lap? Why did others think there was an affair going on?

I would never read Kara’s book. She is not someone I would trust so why read her potentially untrustworthy account of her relentless attempts to portray herself as a victim.

OK, so you didn’t read the book. I recommend you read it.

As far as the sit in the lap episode… crowded shuttle to the airport situation. No seat for her, Salazar says sit in my lap, a sprinter in the van says “no, don’t do that.” I don’t recall her saying where she actually ended up sitting.

She even says in her book she had concerns that people thought they were having an affair after arriving and leaving a party with him in Lisbon (I might have that city wrong).

… BTW I don’t think they were having an affair. I just think the whole BTC culture was super weird.

OK thanks.

No, it isn't. It is evidence that convicts you; not the bullsh*t you call "narrative".

You believe Salazar is likely to say he didn’t assault her? That is some astute analysis on your part.

The same people basically arguing:

"Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty" for a guy who is has lost 2/2 legal actions resulting in two separate bans.

"This is slander and libellous from Kara" for someone who hasn't actually been sued for libel or slander.

Apparently it's innocent until proven guilty in the exact legal circumstance I want and the others don't count but also Kara is guilty of this thing that no one is actually legally alleging she did.

It is amazing how some of you are in desperate need of an education. Narrative can be defined as “a spoken or written account of connected events.” Absent any physical or scientific evidence, narrative is exactly what would convict one in a court of law in a case such as this. Please get an education before it is too late.

Well it’s good to know you didn’t start this thread with any biases.

The jury makes the decision as to which side they want to believe. Are you saying any closing argument is a narrative or do you believe all the jurors are watching CNN every night.

Salazar is not well known outside the running community so it will be easy to find an impartial jury.

Of course the trial would be the telling of a narrative of events to attempt to establish the elements of an offense, whether there was any corroboration from physical evidence or, in this case, not likely. This is so elementary that it pains me.