She was 23 when she enrolled in 2018 as a graduate transfer. So she was hardly a girl. Also, her performance did drop a lot while in Eugene. 32:30s before nearly a minute slower in the U.S. system, and 32:40s-50s last year (PB at 5000) after returning. It just didn't work out. And considering other evidence discussed in this thread, likely a toxic environment re: weight management--regardless of the coach's previous success at USF.
Guys, if your college is recommending you see the nutritionist then ask to see a dietitian instead. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, but a dietitian (RD) or (RDN) will hold appropriate qualifications to give you advice.
She was an adult. People her age are on Marine boot camp being broken down mentally, emotionally, and physically because it builds character. She was just mentally weak.
I ran at U of O, albeit years before this girl. What I can say is that it is a difficult place to be when things go off the rails. Months and months of rain, pretty much no sunlight from Halloween until outdoor track. If you are injured and sitting around watching your teammates workout and win races it is quite hard to see the bright side of the road. Eugene is not for everyone. Helen was not a good fit for U of O in the same way Ben Thomas wasn’t either. They did not produce cross country results. But blindly following a coach to a different college city that you’ve never visited is a decision that you own and blaming others is just a a bunch of baloney.
Helen only got them 3rd, which is good considering their top runner followed the Powells to UW.
Robert Johnson didn't care about cross, most of the scholarships were in non-distance events.
Since when was running in or before college a "career?" A career is a job.
It CAN be a job but encompasses more than that. The definition of a career is NOT limited to job.
You’re as wrong about this as you were 2,600.
I wasn't wrong about either, idiot.
"Definition" means common usage. "Career" generally refers to a job, not to school.
Long ago, I made a 1-month or so projection on data from Asia, where generally only sick people who showed up at hospitals were tested, and on the contingency that testing methods didn't radically change. Then of course, they did radically change, a different contingency.
That's the really amazing, ironic thing here - not only are you gloating that I was wrong about one little thing three years ago, I wasn't! You have to reach back three whole years and it's still a fail.
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Toxic femininity is never taking responsibility for your problems. Always someone else to blame.
Let this also be a lesson to not just blindly do what you're told because someone else is in a position of "authority" and/or you like being told what to do. As the owner of your body, you know it best and should listen to it at your own discretion.
to think that at her age I was 1 of 2 people keeping a fortune 500 company running makes it hard to have sympathy for her story... And I can think of many other 23 year olds that make actual contributions to society where our world as we know it depends on them... but this is the story that gets repeated... if you are an adult sure you can blame your coach but you got to realize the cliche is true.. fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. Was her coach perfect: No... is that your coaches fault you have a mental disorder: no. is it your fault for continuing to stay in that situation: absolutely.
I would role my eyes at the younger generation but the older generation did that to me too... I'm not even out of my twenties... younger generations are never the issue.. the entitled self absorbed people in every generation ever are the issue.. giving them a voice is also our issue not theirs.
I watched as much of that video as I could stand, thinking that I was going to hear revelations about her mistreatment at Oregon and I just didn't hear anything. She had injury and adjustment problems and didn't give it all that much time. Asking her to see a nutritionist is not tantamount to giving her an eating disorder. It is actually a response to the issue of eating disorders.
I was surprised with how good she was coming to Oregon (as a Junior class?) 32:33 ranked 4th UK senior level which is still her PB (she has since marginally improved her other track PBs, and is 73/2:34 on the roads). Sounds like they recruited a top 10K runner for a middle-distance oriented program. Mismatch for sure.
It sounds like she was overtrained and burned out as a junior athlete - a story we've seen thousands of times before - Mary Cain, Efraimson, Sarah Baxter, Claudia Lane, Caitlyn Collier and more. Her junior coach is more to blame than her college coaches, to be honest.
She just ran 2:29 taking five minutes off her marathon time.
She knocking on the door of the qualifying time for the UK in the marathon.
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I watched as much of that video as I could stand, thinking that I was going to hear revelations about her mistreatment at Oregon and I just didn't hear anything. She had injury and adjustment problems and didn't give it all that much time. Asking her to see a nutritionist is not tantamount to giving her an eating disorder. It is actually a response to the issue of eating disorders.
You’re usually one of the smarter posters here.
But did you entirely miss the part where her coach replied “well are you?” In response to Philly’s comment about “feeling heavy”?
A coach who knew she had a history of eating disorders and agreed to take her and work with her despite that history.
Toxic femininity is never taking responsibility for your problems. Always someone else to blame.
Let this also be a lesson to not just blindly do what you're told because someone else is in a position of "authority" and/or you like being told what to do. As the owner of your body, you know it best and should listen to it at your own discretion.
The above bolded needs stated again and again. I teach this to my kindergardener, any adult should know it. I question my boss and board of directors all the time and tell my direct reports to always question me.
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