Even if Fox viewers know they are listening to lies, they would rather listen to the lies than truths they don't like. They want to listen to talk show hosts that make them feel good instead of bad...most of us would do the same.
Trump himself thinks his own supporters are "disgusting." Howard Stern said that Trump despises most those who love him the most. The Fox News people serve as his surrogate campaign office and they knew that he was lying about the election being stolen from him, yet they tell the world that it was stolen. They are all acting according to their perceived self-interest, not at all according to America's best interests.
But which every Republican voter pretended they really, really wanted when it was in debate in Congress, and which they praised as a major achievement when it passed because it had been done by their team. And continued to praise throughout 2017, “look how much bigger my paycheck is!” until finding out the true grift of it in 2018 when they owed instead of getting a refund (and the line from the Fox News pundits was “y’all shoulda changed your withholding,” the first time any GOP or GOP-adjacent person ever mentioned withholding).
Fox News lawyers argued in court (2.5yr ago) that his words could not be taken seriously, purely for entertainment. Yet, millions of people hang on his every word as if it were facts.
Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.
America has confused news with entertainment. So it’s not surprising this guy is acting. Fox News, CNN, MSNBC has the goal to entertain. Their goal is to make money. It’s very difficult to find actual news anymore.
Finding real news is not hard at all, nor is recognizing it. Many people just prefer to be told what they want to hear. Present them with 10 independent sources of a fact they don't like, they'll cite a raving lunatic on tiktok as the "truth" to refute it.
Try READING the news. Most of it is boring facts. It is the talking with opinions that goes off the rails.
What are the “woke” issues that caused uneducated white blue collar voters to move away from the Democratic Party? Also, can you please give me a coherent definition of “woke”?
It has absolutely nothing to do with voting along party lines. It has everything to do with the fact that he was the better candidate. I also refuse to vote for any politician who wants to let moms to kill their babies. Is there a liberal who is against that?
Tucker is not a fraud. He grew tired of Trump. Trump talked a big game, never produced anything close to what he ran on.
1. No wall
2. No end to birthright citizenship
3. No deportation of "Dreamers"
4. No end to chain immigration
5. Hillary not in jail
6. Political correctness got worse under trump
7. Stood by from a bunker while cities burned and tweeted "Biden's America" when Biden wasn't president. Never stopped the riots.
8. Let Jan 6 protestors get put in jail when Trump instigated them, said he'd join them, and instead he left
9. Allowed big tech censorship to get so bad that he himself got banned on social media lol
10. Was about to give reparations
He was a total failure. Totally inept. Got everyone who voted for him hyped up, and became the most useless anti climactic president in recent history. All he did for four years was tweet a lot, make excuses, lost in court challenges, passed a tax cut no one asked for, and sucked up to Israel.
Good list. But you forgot some that have been lost in his flood of ineptness.
11. Treating covid as a weapon against his opponents. (Recall witholding assistance for blue states because "they need to be nice to me")
12. Minimizing the virus because he did not want to be harmed politically. How many are dead today because they believed his hubris about it being a "democrat hoax"? " People Need to get on with their lives and be strong like he was. (even though the public did not have the treatments he had when he got covid.)
13. Kushner promising the economy would be back to normal within a few months.
14. Grifting off ventilators.
The list is endless.
The only thing to do about the virus was to tell old and morbidly obese folks to be careful and then go about business as normal. If folks had done that herd immunity would have been achieved in a couple of months without destroying 30% of small business and totally wrecking the electoral process in many states. In California we now have 'print at home' ballots with no verification, signature or otherwise. The rules say anything can be a mark for 'accessibility' reasons, but in Los Angeles County there is no way to verity that any machines are looking at or comparing anything in the first place, so the point is moot.
Anyway, the Swedes had it right. Everyone who minimized the harmful responses had it right. The hysterical and supremely destructive responses seemed to be confined to those who hated Trump the most. Perhaps they were the ones 'weaponizing' covid? They're still the worst off when it comes to total welfare. And now, thanks to 'the science' they have the excess deaths of otherwise healthy folks to go along with it.
While a number of the things on the above list are correct (the list is also missing balancing budget, but I suppose he never even pledged that). But to ignore the fact that there is a positive causal relationship between severity of covid 'response' and the overall harm done to a community is willfully ignorant. Many folks saw that there was no cost/benefit analysis going on anywhere before 'lockdowns' were declared. There was no desire or rigorous process in place to minimize harm.
Withholding 'assistance' is the only reasonable path, though it shouldn't be done because of reciprocity issues. There should have been no 'assistance' for 'blue states' or for anyone who is expecting taxpayers of other states to bail them out for ill-advised self-destructive policies. Especially true when the bailouts are coming from inflationary funny money. Bad policies need to cause localized hardship so that the folks doing the bad policies are ousted. Paying their way out with fake money and kicking the can down the road to people in other geographic and temporal locations is totally irresponsible.
I was in Los Angeles the whole time with a father working in the ER and it was a disaster. The hospitals themselves were nearly put out of business because of the draconian shutdowns. All of us able-bodied folks were being to do nothing using funny money (which we're all now paying back through inflation). I know I wrote this already, but over 30% of small businesses went under. There are still people in Los Angeles not paying their rent under 'emergency' rules. We have the brain-dead dummies who watch state-and-big-pharma-sponsored garbage like Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, PBS, HBO etc... to thank for all of it.
And why would they want to be if you vote along party lines regardless of candidate. I understand wanting candidates that say they support your agenda. But wouldn't you want a decent candidate to properly represent your values? Doesn't having a guy like Herschel Walker, MTG or Trump make a mockery of what you believe in?
It has absolutely nothing to do with voting along party lines. It has everything to do with the fact that he was the better candidate. I also refuse to vote for any politician who wants to let moms to kill their babies. Is there a liberal who is against that?
MTG seems to be totally corrupt. Don't know about Walker. But neither of them are Trump. I suppose not every democrat who was politically allied with JFK was his true ally (and vice versa).
I voted for Gary Johnson twice because he was the best candidate. In 2020 Trump was the best candidate, without question. He should have been no-lockdowns like the Swedes, but he is a little bit incompetent and it seemed to take him a while to realize just how corrupt and destructive the healthcare-industrial complex was.
Mothers killing their babies is the least of the twisted stuff that some of the folks are into. They let doctors mutilate their kids' genitalia. They mutilate their own genitalia. But worst of all, they instigate wars and invade foreign countries and cause the deaths of millions of people. Trump never did that.
Fox News has repeatedly and successfully used a defense to libel and false reporting lawsuits that “We are not news. We are entertainment. Anybody with a brain knows this.”
Fox is on record that they’re fake news. Tucker is an entertainer. No educated conservative respects him.
No doubt that that some liberal news sources are just as fake. Americans are the problem. We can’t handle the truth. We are dumb and unable to handle complex issues (ie every issue).
Donald Trump is an absolute fraud. Joe Biden is better, but he’s too old to be president. He’s probably over-achieved. Most of us just want a moderate, regardless of party, but moderate people can’t get elected cuz left/right whackos shape the discussion.
Trumpism is a response to liberal’s excessive focus on singular ‘woke’ issues that have pushed blue collar white people away from the Democratic Party—getting them to vote against their own interests. Tucker capitalizes on that.
What are the “woke” issues that caused uneducated white blue collar voters to move away from the Democratic Party? Also, can you please give me a coherent definition of “woke”?
The NorseMN post is truly silly. The liberal use of "we" is a good indicator that it is a bunch of regurgitated nonsense.
Still, like you, I wonder about some of the terms being used. I wonder what the "woke" issues are that drive "educated" people to support warmongering corporate shills who would censor them, make them unemployed, lock them in their homes, throw away rights to free speech, remove their rights as parents (for example not to let a doctor mutilate their child's genitalia), permit riots, institutionalize racism, and make rights to do practically anything conditional upon being injected with pharmaceutical products -- especially when those products had been tested for less than a year and under the shadiest of circumstances.
Education seems at this point to be a set of blinkers that cause confusion, narrow-mindedness, quickness to accept false dichotomies, and readiness to trust people and institutions without grounds. I went to one of the top colleges in the country and I can say from experience that I'm far more wary of someone "educated" than someone "uneducated", especially if the one who is "educated" believes himself to be so.
This is very true. Psychologically it would be amazingly difficult for someone like fanboy70 (or the millions like him) to admit that Fox leaders such as Tucker and Hannity played and lied to them and really hated Trump and knew the election was actually fair. I can't picture them thinking, "wow, I never realized how much they lied and mislead me".
The only way they could psychologically deal with this is either to downplay it as just acceptable behavior and to think, "Well everybody lies" or redirect their attention, "How about all that crime in the democratic cities?".
Psychologically they are in a tough position. Reality is always a stern task master to those who try to ignore it.
I think that this is at least a tad too sympathetic, or thereabouts, for millions of "common man" Trumpers. That it would be harder - but still expected - for a public figure of ANY magnitude to change their tune is correct. But so many Trumpers at home with the wife Marge, a small or very small circle of friends, and perhaps a similarly-sized modest circle of family? Pretty damn easy to ease away from Trumpism. Over 6-7 freakin' years, now. No huge smear of egg on the face. No huge serving of crow. And, imagine this, actually feel BETTER about oneself for having been more honest and more decent, and a few other good things.
But nope, millions of common folks - who we were clearly wrong to romanticize for generations - can't manage this easy lift. Too dumb and/or unprincipled and/or dishonest and/or weak and/or tribal. Very, very little sympathy for them, particularly given what they're doing to the country.
Isn't is entirely possible that Fox and CNN were all misleading, because they all hate Trump?
Maybe that's why Fox barely covered the election issues (except Lou Dobbs, who was fired for it). There was virtually no coverage of the numerous public state house hearings that went on for weeks. The WSJ didn't print any op-eds about it. No surprise: Murdoch hates Trump. So does Koch. So does Bill Gates. So does George Soros. And the list goes on... The Trump-hating contingent seems to cross the aisle and make up most of the richest and most powerful people in the world. Bizarre that anyone would lump Fox in with folks seriously investigating election issues or lump Fox in with Trump.
Of course Fox's lack of investigation, or the beliefs of any of its viewers, have no bearing on whether or not elections in question were accurate to within the margin of victory (all 0.5% in some places), run ethically, or even legally. Those are separate questions, though Fox's lack of investigational rigor speaks volumes about its desire to know whether or not allegations were valid.
And noneuqls wants folks to leave Trump... and replace him with what? The same corporate warmongering policies of Bush, Clinton and Obama? People like Bernie Sanders who gets a nomination stolen from him and then just bends over? Is that "honest" and "decent"? Is that meant to "feel good"?
I voted for Ron Paul once and Gary Johnson twice -- and Trump seems worse than both of them. But he is still better than the shady and spineless criminals that populate the rest of the government. If you want the 'too-dumb', 'unprincipled', 'dishonest', 'weak', 'tribal' 'common folks' to 'move on' perhaps try suggesting at least one better alternative. That might lead to a substantive discussion with less prejudice and arrogance. You might also try to empathize rather than sympathize, though the distinction is likely lost on you.
Nobody holds the average Republican voter in more contempt than right wing political/media leaders. They know that you just have to say the right things about the libs and nothing else matters. Look at the people who have been elevated to prominence by right wing media. Greene, Boobert, Gaetz, Don Jr, his ugly girlfriend, just to name a few. These are deeply stupid people with sordid pasts, but they say the right words and the rubes eat it up every time. There are no consequences for lying or being wrong or committing crimes or infidelity or predatory behavior. Just say the magic words and then hawk your crap products like gold or “patriot insurance” or commemorative dinner plates or d$ck pills. The money rolls in. Tucker knows this better than anyone except Donald Trump.
They are just the other side of the CNN coin. They serve the same corporate masters. It is all part of a divide-and conquer strategy. Just look at how poorly they treated Ron Paul and Gary Johnson...
Of course they hated Trump and worked hard to deplatform and disgrace him. Though he may be working with them yet... Though not likely with they way they're pushing Ron DeSantis who looks poised to be the next Obama: the perfect pawn to wage a horrific war with China that will solidify the power of elites on both sides for centuries to come.
Tucker is not a fraud. He grew tired of Trump. Trump talked a big game, never produced anything close to what he ran on.
1. No wall
2. No end to birthright citizenship
3. No deportation of "Dreamers"
4. No end to chain immigration
5. Hillary not in jail
6. Political correctness got worse under trump
7. Stood by from a bunker while cities burned and tweeted "Biden's America" when Biden wasn't president. Never stopped the riots.
8. Let Jan 6 protestors get put in jail when Trump instigated them, said he'd join them, and instead he left
9. Allowed big tech censorship to get so bad that he himself got banned on social media lol
10. Was about to give reparations
He was a total failure. Totally inept. Got everyone who voted for him hyped up, and became the most useless anti climactic president in recent history. All he did for four years was tweet a lot, make excuses, lost in court challenges, passed a tax cut no one asked for, and sucked up to Israel.
I voted for Ron Paul once and Gary Johnson twice -- and Trump seems worse than both of them. But he is still better than the shady and spineless criminals that populate the rest of the government.
If we are being honest with ourselves, Jan 6th simply would not have happened without Fox News switching over from Joe Biden legitimately won to lying about the big lie and bringing all of the batschidt crazies on to get the base all fired up. If Fox stuck with their initial plan to tell the Truth the OAN's and others would not have been sufficient to work up the base in large numbers.
It is difficult to measure how much damage Fox News has done to this country over the last 20 years. Most all of the core beliefs of the right wingers (even on this message board) have their origin on Fox News. (wokeness hysteria, drag hysteria, border hysteria, grooming hysteria). It all came from Fox news.
It is a powerful tool of the right wing. AS further proof you will find that most all GOP policies are not popular at all even with even GOP voters yet they still vote GOP. (Abortion, Tax cuts for the rich, cut medicare and SS). Fox news conditions the right wingers to fear if they vote Democratic the country will be communist. Remember that promise going into 2020? Are we communist today? Nope. Lies, lies and more lies. Yet right wingers like to be lied to.