Brosnan coaching Lex Young?

There are a lot of good runners who are on their course with state championships. There's a bunch of runners in the midatlantic area who skipped their county/regional/state meets to focus on the end of season meets. Or even runners who only ran fast enough to win in the last 100 meters. HS sports will soon be a hobby jogger/weight loser/resume enhancer scene.

There are a lot of good runners who are on their OWN course with state championships.

Brosnan doesnt care. His ego is out of control. He is probably staring off camera, with shadowy lighting, mumbling some word salads about his own genius and greatness. Where will UCLA be in 3 years? Will he even grace anybody with his coaching?

So is this scenario okay or not? If not, who calls it a violation and what happens? If not, why don’t college coaches sell it as a perk of signing with them?

Elite runner signs with elite college in November. Elite college coach provides the training for the rest of the kid’s HS career, but the kid still attend HS practices (doing college coach’s workouts) and competes for the HS. Assume the high school coaches are okay with it.

Or NOT still attend HS practice and NOT compete for school. Then, the HS coach does not need to be OK with it. I agree with a post a few above this that most of the leading HS runners will eventually not participate in school-sponsored teams. Don't know if this will be a decade from now or when, but it was common when I was in HS to run seriously and compete without the school having any knowledge of it. That became socially unacceptable quite a while ago now so we've been in a state of 'if you run, it must be for the glory of the school' situation. This leads to the common complaints kids have about their coaches.

Threads constantly surface about this but they go away if the kid simply doesn't join the team or in any way participate in anything controlled by the school's coach. To reply 'just ditch the coach, quit the team, and train and race on your own' on one of the many threads is a waste of typing since the kid feels that running = being controlled by the school's system. Your reply is basically telling the kid not to run, train, and compete so he ignores it. I've always thought this - the mindset that unattached teenage running is impossible or unacceptable - was a tragedy since I was comparing it to 40+ years ago when it was common and minimal or no peer and parental pressure came down on my crowd and me to join the school's teams.

Well, hard to believe, but this could be changing back. We've already seen a number of stars who get mentioned here run but not for their schools. I think it's great to see!

If I was an elite college coach in this situation I would prefer the HS athlete just maintain continuity with what made them an elite in the first place and then do a normal transition of training over the summer and into the fall where I can directly oversee the big changes in volume and intensity.

Attempting this transition in the HS system seems sub-optimal from a training perspective, and it's extra work for the college coach.

These local club exemptions aren't zero work either if you deal with it correctly.

In terms of NCAA violations these can either be caught internally by the institution's compliance office and self-reported or caught by an outside investigation by the NCAA itself. The NCAA is a useless gang of white collar criminals profiting of football and basketball -they are unlikely to catch things that don't involve money and/or the two sports that actually make them money.

Brosnan is at The Ten. Just saw him on stream on infield chirping at Seymour. Assuming no UCLA runners here. Is he coaching all the NP guys? Are any of them running for the school? Sahlman in toad gear. Seymour in NXN gear. Other runners in school uniforms.

Leo is listed under Newbury Park Athletic Club while aaron and Brayden under the Newbury park high school

What about Lex?

Peter Herold is running later from UCLA in the same race as Leo Young

Coaches have always trained club kids. My UCLA coaches 15 years ago were training high school kids on the side. Distance, throws, and pole vault all coaching high school kids. UCLA is D1. There’s nothing wrong with a kid paying you to coach them as long as you aren’t sacrificing your job duties. I don’t know why anyone would do it, but if you have the money, why not.

Except it blatantly breaks NCAA rules, which Sean Brosnin continues to demonstrate he has no respect for. Cheater.

Jesus f*cking Christ, this thread.

It’s a free country anyone should be allowed to coach anyone. If there is a rule against this it’s stupid and I don’t care if people break stupid rules.

That is all.

I don’t thing most of you crying actually understands or know the NCAA rules. It’s actually simple. Now pay attention so you don’t miss something.

If you are a DI NCAA coach you can coach a HS athlete. All that is required would be that you own, coach or work for a local club. In Brosnan’s case if he coaches Lex, Leo or whoever it’s not against any rules if he went To UCLA compliance and filled out a club form. This will allow him to coach a athlete within 50 miles of his current school.

it is allowed and it’s not a big deal.

Well said. They also need to change their diapers more often. They, that never did anything notable as an athlete or a coach are the ego driven, arrogant arses that need to come to terms with their own failings.

I responded several days ago, disagreeing with the statement about NP not having a chance at a team title. Following up to say I agree with most of your statements, especially the training environment. Basically, anywhere in the Bay Area has a great trail system and Stanford also has the Golf Course that has hosted many Championship and Invitational meets. If Sean was a short sighted coach, only looking out for his own skin, I'm sure he could have had the twins to commit to UCLA...still a great school with a lot of former great runners, but they signed with Stanford instead. He may have an ego, but it doesn't seem like he is ego driven when it comes to the kids. I think he is just a true fan of the sport.

That said, consider if they (all the NP guys) are healthy and run at State...3 guys can go sub 4 in the mile (going sub 4 at State would not be the goal I would set for them, as I would want them working together like they did in XC) and the 4th guy from XC is also good. They can sweep the 1600, win the 800 and get 1-2 in the 3200 making 52 points without doing anything extreme, just running two events. Those points don't account for the 4th guy that can add points, likely in the 3200 as his solo event. I think 52 wins the team title and State Meet is the only Meet they have to run Friday and Saturday. The qualifying rounds are rough if you are a 4:10 miler as you have to be ready to PR, but if you can easily run 4:06, 1:50 and sub 9, you will easily move past Masters. (I ran in NCS when we had 2 day meets from League through State, now just a 2 day meet at MOC and State.) Add the "At Large" entries and they know exactly how fast they need to run, regardless of place, to make it to State. Time standard is already set and Southern Section usually sends a few more entries than what is guaranteed by place.

The top 3 for NP last year didn't run at State, but they still got points in the 800 and 3200. The main thing is keep the lads healthy and ready for 4 weeks of HS racing that starts in May. Whatever is decided, as you point out, they already have scholarships, which, in the long run, (no pun intended) is the goal to bring them into a bright future. Personally, I like my idea of them racking up over 50 points in the distance races. I'm sure Sean will direct them to do what is in their best interest, but this is a once in a lifetime chance for them to really make a mark at the HS level, as a team.

Anyway, I don't see anything that is illegal or immoral. Conversely, I think Sean is trying to share with others what they are doing, in the hope that our sport continues to excel.

As a former athlete and coach, I'm trying to wrap my head around your point. We came from the same era and I don't think I would have gotten into good competition if I didn't run for my school. I also hated that a school record was given to a guy that did run open races to get his best time but also ran the HS races. One of the big problems would have been training without a team or a coach. I could have joined a running club, which I did post High School, but it was still nearly impossible to get into the quality races that are afforded to the top HS guys.

Please name one successful distance guy that never ran for his High School. 40 years ago? Common? I can't think of a single one. We had to run "unattached" at some meets, but it was still my HS coach that made it happen. In the case of Lex and Leo and even Aaron Salhman, I agree that they may benefit from not following the typical HS season but there are limits to racing on your own, without a team. There are not enough good running clubs in the USA to benefit the typical HS athlete. The NP guys would have never made it to open races, if they didn't shine brightly in the HS races.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Lex and Leo will not be running for Newbury Park High School this spring and they won't be running in any of the CIF meets.

So no team title for Newbury Park at state.

They made it quite clear on their Milesplit interview that they won't be doing the CIF rounds to get into the state meet. Maybe I missed it, but I thought from previous interviews Lex was still considering running Arcadia and going after the 3200m record, and then going for non-HS meets after that , similar to last year.

I would be bummed if they skipped a chance to break the 3200m or 2 mile record to go for the HS 5000m and 10000m records, which to me are meaningless because they aren't events high schoolers normally run. It's like the HS record for the marathon, I couldn't care less. But every HS distance runner competes in the 3200m, so that is a record worth chasing.