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  • armchair.expert

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    2 years ago 08/22/2023 2:55pm EDT
    re: valbymania

    A true 800 runner needs 400m speed and strength of a miler.

    The main problem is a lot of coaches run their 800 talent into the ground with hard intervals leading to burn out and injury. You need to develop strength and speed. Don't race each interval all out.

    Train don't strain.

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    Roger Biebert

    Member since 01/23/2023.

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    2 years ago 08/22/2023 3:01pm EDT
    re: armchair.expert

    What we also lack is the 800m/1500m guys. The top 1500m guys all seem to suck at the 800m right now as compared to the past. Is it because of changes in training philosophy? Who is the best 15 guy at the 8 right now? Giles?

  • myprecious

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    2 years ago 08/22/2023 3:03pm EDT
    re: Roger Biebert

    Too many guys and coaches who don't understand how important racing is.

    Too scared to lose, too scared to risk take to win.

    Million dollar legs, 10 cent brains

  • F**k

    THOUGHTSLEADER

    Member since 06/06/2018.

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    2 years ago 08/22/2023 5:38pm EDT
    re: Roger Biebert

    Roger Biebert wrote:

    What we also lack is the 800m/1500m guys. The top 1500m guys all seem to suck at the 800m right now as compared to the past. Is it because of changes in training philosophy? Who is the best 15 guy at the 8 right now? Giles?

    No, I don’t think so. Of the finalists, Kipsang and Habz are good 800m runners. Habz ran under 1:44 this season and Kipsang ran 1:44.8h ftw early season in Botswana running most of the race in lane 2. I bet he could run 1:44 low or faster in a quick race. Wightman ran 1:43 last year too of course. The event definitely has leaned more to 1500/5000 types, though.

  • Jgt11

    Member since 11/25/2017.

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    2 years ago 08/22/2023 5:45pm EDT
    re: myprecious

    You think if brazier was healthy he would be dominating

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    Salvitore Stitchmo

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    2 years ago 08/22/2023 5:48pm EDT
    re: valbymania

    valbymania wrote:

    nothing there wrote:

    Lol Brazier. If there ever was too much hype in the 800...got to its apex with that clown

    Amos wasn't really great either. Very inconsistent

    Yes what was I thinking. Brazier breaking a 30 year old american record was so lame

    And Amos the only guy other than Rudisha to run a 1:41 in this millennium, total loser

    Right but we know how Amos and his frog-in-blender form got to be running under 1.42 (probably under 1.46) right?

  • Peere

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    1 year ago 07/12/2024 7:32pm EDT
    re: valbymania

    valbymania wrote:

    Not at just the USA level but globally. Without the likes of Rudisha, Brazier, Amos, the event is just awful. Please give me some reasons to get excited for the 800.

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  • EvilRunner

    Member since 12/09/2021.

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    1 year ago 07/12/2024 7:34pm EDT
    re: valbymania

    this thread didn’t age well

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    Roger Biebert

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    1 year ago 07/12/2024 7:42pm EDT
    re: EvilRunner

    EvilRunner wrote:

    this thread didn’t age well

    I'd like to come back to this thread in 10 years. My guess is that the talk of this being a huge improvement due to doping by everyone will be unfounded and this was simply just a year where the 800m got back to where it should be.

  • 1:41s galore

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    1 year ago 10/03/2024 1:14am EDT
    re: valbymania

    valbymania wrote:

    The current US talent pool is just lacking. Nothing against the guys like Hoppel and Murphy out there still trying to make it happen, but USA couldnt even make the final in Eugene.

    Say what you want about Amos but his front running, eyes bugging out style made races interesting.

    Oh, how times have changed... in more ways than one. It would've been hilarious to see a peak Amos race against the current Sedjati.

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