What could drew hunter do different to be competitive to make teams

adobe wrote:

Classic LetsRun wrote:

Lmao. Even Josh Kerr begrudgingly admitted on the Citius Mag "After the Final Lap" episode post-Millrose that the OAC's sub-4 workout at altitude was a good workout.

And here we have adobe on LetsRun advancing his expert opinion that the "workout wasn't that hard." The workout was a precursor to Klecker running sub-13 in a big PR. Good grief.

Ritzenhein himself said it wasn't that hard. I am not reinventing the wheel here.

And a session done six days before a race has very little bearing on the outcome of that race - really, it can only hurt if you do something too hard. Klecker's 12:54.99 was due to the consistent training the prior months and years. If you think a mile at essentially race pace then some easy threshold and 200s is the key workout that sealed the deal you have absolutely no understanding of training.

Bekele Bread wrote:

it is time wrote:

Didn't he win the 2 mile like a year or two ago?

I gotta say, it seems like Drew needs to change something. It doesn't seem like changing coaches is doing a whole lot. He needs to be forced out of his comfort zone and stay healthy. It would be an easy move to just start training with On across town unofficially. He needs to train with people more talented than him who will push him enough. He beat Grant Fisher in high school as a junior and look at the difference now...

*He won the 2 mile from the B heat while getting paced by teammates.

In terms of training philosophy, Tinmom seems to prescribe similar workouts to Tinman, so it's really only a minor coaching change. He could try joining another program, but maybe this is as good as he gets. His performances are still better than what most other people ever achieve.

Simple As wrote:

shootpost wrote:

Luckily Drew posts all his workouts to strava and I follow them very closely. My conclusion is he is an insane talent. It is amazing how well he runs based on what he does. His training is what you would expect from a 14-14:30 guy.

Go through his strava. It is a bunch of 5:00ish threshold and mile pace 200s. Which are fine to get good, but it just lacks the raw intensity to get great. Look at the most succesful groups in the US right now- BTC and On, they are known for absolutely brutal workouts. This was always my criticism of Tinmans training, at some point you need to do the brutal fast fast work to really make the jump.

The problem is not the trainign thought. Drew can not workout very hard/high mileage (in comparison to his peers) without getting hurt. He has been running 80 mpw the last months and this is the most mileage he has ever run.

I think the answer is to just keep what he is doing but try not to get hurt and miss months at a time. He obviously has insane talent still but regardless of who you are if you miss 2-3 months every year you won't be great.

I (like many others) believe switching groups would be a great move. But if he gets injured immediately there is no point.

Most of the On team are on Strava. None of the workouts they do seem that hard given their performances. Nothing that Joe Klecker does indicates a 12:54. Nothing Monson does indicates an AR in the 3k. This fall, they’ve just done fartleks, tempos/threshold and some mile pace 200s + hills. They did like 4 semi-hard workouts before racing indoors.