Do you really believe that "the system" has exonerated 100% of the wrongfully convicted inmates before any of them were put to death? Do you believe that the system has released hundreds of innocent people but never executed a single innocent person?
And my point stands anyway. The poster I was reply to had already declared that this man "slaughtered four innocent people," after the poster has not reviewed a shred of evidence.
I think it is very rare to wrongfully convict. Reasonable doubt is a very high bar and unless there is misconduct you need a lot of evidence or witnesses.
I use the Justice Kavenaugh hearing as evidence of this. While there was compelling testimony against him there was no real proof so the case didn't go too far. People don't get convicted on just an accusation without proof as we saw play out very publicly. Also keep in mind he was a person half of the country REALLY wanted to be guilty and the system still worked.
It wasn’t a trial and Kavanaugh was never going to be convicted of anything. Terrible analogy.
I think it is very rare to wrongfully convict. Reasonable doubt is a very high bar and unless there is misconduct you need a lot of evidence or witnesses.
I use the Justice Kavenaugh hearing as evidence of this. While there was compelling testimony against him there was no real proof so the case didn't go too far. People don't get convicted on just an accusation without proof as we saw play out very publicly. Also keep in mind he was a person half of the country REALLY wanted to be guilty and the system still worked.
It wasn’t a trial and Kavanaugh was never going to be convicted of anything. Terrible analogy.
You're proving my point. Because there was only accusation without compelling evidence it never even went to trial. It failed at the first hurdle.
And of course he wasn't going to be convinced of anything because there wasn't compelling evidence which is required for a conviction.
This is my whole point about the system working. No evidence no trial no chance for wrongful conviction. Since the desire to try Kavenaugh was exponentially higher than some random criminal his is a good example of how the justice system works way more often (99.99e1000) than it doesn't.
It wasn’t a trial and Kavanaugh was never going to be convicted of anything. Terrible analogy.
the justice system works way more often (99.99e1000) than it doesn't.
There are typically about 2,400 to 2,500 Americans on death row. If 1% of them were wrongly convicted, then there are 24 people waiting to die for something they didn't do.
The number of people who have been convicted and later exonerated would support that there easily could be that many people awaiting execution today.
It wasn’t a trial and Kavanaugh was never going to be convicted of anything. Terrible analogy.
You're proving my point. Because there was only accusation without compelling evidence it never even went to trial. It failed at the first hurdle.
And of course he wasn't going to be convinced of anything because there wasn't compelling evidence which is required for a conviction.
This is my whole point about the system working. No evidence no trial no chance for wrongful conviction. Since the desire to try Kavenaugh was exponentially higher than some random criminal his is a good example of how the justice system works way more often (99.99e1000) than it doesn't.
A senator deciding whether to confirm a Supreme Court Justice based on testimony of an incident that happened decades ago and a juror deciding whether to apply the death penalty based on DNA and possibly other evidence is not in the same universe.
Kavanaugh’s hearings had absolutely nothing to do with the justice system and politics will not influence how Kohberger will be prosecuted.
the justice system works way more often (99.99e1000) than it doesn't.
There are typically about 2,400 to 2,500 Americans on death row. If 1% of them were wrongly convicted, then there are 24 people waiting to die for something they didn't do.
The number of people who have been convicted and later exonerated would support that there easily could be that many people awaiting execution today.
It costs much more money to execute a prisoner than it does to give them housing, food, and free cable for life.
Personally, I think a lifetime in prison would be a way worse punishment than being executed after 15 years of appeals.
This dollar store, Ted Bundy wannabe is getting executed. Bye, bye.
You'll probably die first. It will be a long time before he sees the needle.
I don't think he was a serial killer wannabe I think he was an autistic sociopath who didn't see the harm in doing a real world experiment for his thesis.
They were looking for a white Hyundai, it sounds like the vehicle was the clue which broke the case.
Kinda surprised it took this long. He drove the car with him to PA, so presumably it's registered to him. Nobody at his Uni in the grad program knew he drove a white Elantra and just disappeared for 3 months? None of his family? Sus.
The murders occurred on 11/13. Three months have not elapsed since the murders. He remained in school through the end of the semester, taking classes as serving as a TA for an undergraduate class. At the end of the semester he drove to his parents place for winter break.
Fits the serial killer profile to a tee. Even called into a true crime show trying to play cat and mouse. It may take a few years, but he is getting fried.
Carlos DeLuna was put to death in December 1989 for a murder in Corpus Christi. But he didn't commit the crime. Today, his case reminds us of the glaring flaws of capital punishment. A few others Cameron Todd Willingham In 1992, Ruben Cantu in 1993. I can name a bunch more.
The death penalty carries the inherent risk of executing an innocent person. Since 1973, at least 190 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.
Elizabeth Wolfe,John Miller,Jean Casarez,Lauren del Valle
Authorities began tracking the man charged in the killings of four Idaho college students as he drove across the country around Christmas and continued surveilling him for several days before finally arresting him Friday, sou...
“Genetic genealogy techniques were used to connect Kohberger to unidentified DNA evidence, another source with knowledge of the case tells CNN. The DNA was run through a public database to find potential family member matches, and subsequent investigative work by law enforcement led to him as the suspect, the source said.”
DeLuna was guilty. Thousands of murders have been committed by criminals after being released from prison. Thousands of innocent people would be alive if the guilty people had been put to death.
The murders occurred on 11/13. Three months have not elapsed since the murders. He remained in school through the end of the semester, taking classes as serving as a TA for an undergraduate class. At the end of the semester he drove to his parents place for winter break.
He had such a big head start on law enforcement. It's crazy to think he didn't leave the country, and even crazier that he just went about his normal life.
The murders occurred on 11/13. Three months have not elapsed since the murders. He remained in school through the end of the semester, taking classes as serving as a TA for an undergraduate class. At the end of the semester he drove to his parents place for winter break.
He had such a big head start on law enforcement. It's crazy to think he didn't leave the country, and even crazier that he just went about his normal life.
It seems clear that he had 100% confidence he would never be identified as the killer.
“Genetic genealogy techniques were used to connect Kohberger to unidentified DNA evidence, another source with knowledge of the case tells CNN. The DNA was run through a public database to find potential family member matches, and subsequent investigative work by law enforcement led to him as the suspect, the source said.”
I suspect has $(15 to 20) million dollars liquid, dream team criminal defense can beat this.
* Jurors like crying & sobbing eye witnesses.
* Jurors like murder weapons.
* Post September 11th, 2001, surveillance cameras everywhere, U.S. Jurors like surveillance images.
If criminal defendant can hire attorneys with gusto ...
If criminal defendant can afford to hire private investigators to dig through the lives of every government employee for the prosecution ...
If criminal defendant can hire several of his own expert witnesses ...
Do you really believe that "the system" has exonerated 100% of the wrongfully convicted inmates before any of them were put to death? Do you believe that the system has released hundreds of innocent people but never executed a single innocent person?
And my point stands anyway. The poster I was reply to had already declared that this man "slaughtered four innocent people," after the poster has not reviewed a shred of evidence.
I think it is very rare to wrongfully convict. Reasonable doubt is a very high bar and unless there is misconduct you need a lot of evidence or witnesses.
I use the Justice Kavenaugh hearing as evidence of this. While there was compelling testimony against him there was no real proof so the case didn't go too far. People don't get convicted on just an accusation without proof as we saw play out very publicly. Also keep in mind he was a person half of the country REALLY wanted to be guilty and the system still worked.
You are ignoring the use of plea bargaining. Lots more cases of ADAs threatening and such to get someone to cop a plea and avoid a trial.
He had such a big head start on law enforcement. It's crazy to think he didn't leave the country, and even crazier that he just went about his normal life.
It seems clear that he had 100% confidence he would never be identified as the killer.
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