Anymore? The rules have been established for more than a year. Just because you were unaware doesn't mean they changed or that her and her coach didn't fully understand them.
Is the 1500m final slower or faster than expected? 4:03 4:04 4:05 for the top 3 - splits are not the same as ncaa meets, 300m is the last one on the splits - so dont know what their last 400 was
Is the 1500m final slower or faster than expected? 4:03 4:04 4:05 for the top 3 - splits are not the same as ncaa meets, 300m is the last one on the splits - so dont know what their last 400 was
you can get the splits several way, every 400 from start, every 400 back from finish. But note how tactical these things can be which would not have suited Tuohy. Gregory went something like 67/65/66 her last 1200 and finished way back.
Is the 1500m final slower or faster than expected? 4:03 4:04 4:05 for the top 3 - splits are not the same as ncaa meets, 300m is the last one on the splits - so dont know what their last 400 was
you can get the splits several way, every 400 from start, every 400 back from finish. But note how tactical these things can be which would not have suited Tuohy. Gregory went something like 67/65/66 her last 1200 and finished way back.
clearly katelyn could handle better... ok saw the splits, top 4 closed in so fast .. but we can only imagine how katelyn would have done in this race
Is the 1500m final slower or faster than expected? 4:03 4:04 4:05 for the top 3
It was on the fast side of the average fpr Nats over the last ten years. Last year was much fast, and 2013 & 2015 were much slower, but most have been in the 4:03-4:06 range.
To make the team in today's race, Tuohy would have had to PR. That's a big ask -- there's a reason only one person PRed today, while most people ran well over their PRs.
More likely, if KT had been in the race and been in contention, the race would have unfolded very differently. That's because the other (much faster, more experienced and savvier) runners would have adjusted their tactics to neutralize KT. The top four finishers all have PRs at least 6 seconds faster than KT. It would have been easy for them to adjust in ways that would have taken KT out of contention. It's hard to see how her beating Schlachtenhaufen or MacLean, both of whom have PRs well under 4:05.
As FT pointed out, this was a tactical race, so most likely the winners would have just waited and kicked away from her as they did from MacLean and Schlachtenhaufen. If KT had pushed the pace early, they would have kicked earlier, and still reeled her in.
I expect this will be the story tomorrow as well. But of course nobody knows for sure, and sometimes, the unexpected happens. We've all seen the videos from the 2009 Pre. As the saying goes, "that is why they run the races."
Is the 1500m final slower or faster than expected? 4:03 4:04 4:05 for the top 3
It was on the fast side of the average fpr Nats over the last ten years. Last year was much fast, and 2013 & 2015 were much slower, but most have been in the 4:03-4:06 range.
To make the team in today's race, Tuohy would have had to PR. That's a big ask -- there's a reason only one person PRed today, while most people ran well over their PRs.
More likely, if KT had been in the race and been in contention, the race would have unfolded very differently. That's because the other (much faster, more experienced and savvier) runners would have adjusted their tactics to neutralize KT. The top four finishers all have PRs at least 6 seconds faster than KT. It would have been easy for them to adjust in ways that would have taken KT out of contention. It's hard to see how her beating Schlachtenhaufen or MacLean, both of whom have PRs well under 4:05.
As FT pointed out, this was a tactical race, so most likely the winners would have just waited and kicked away from her as they did from MacLean and Schlachtenhaufen. If KT had pushed the pace early, they would have kicked earlier, and still reeled her in.
I expect this will be the story tomorrow as well. But of course nobody knows for sure, and sometimes, the unexpected happens. We've all seen the videos from the 2009 Pre. As the saying goes, "that is why they run the races."
Why would the others runners adjust their tactics to neutralize Touhy? The top 7 ran the final 800m ranging from 2:02 to 2:07. I seriously doubt Touhy could finish that quickly.
It was on the fast side of the average fpr Nats over the last ten years. Last year was much fast, and 2013 & 2015 were much slower, but most have been in the 4:03-4:06 range.
To make the team in today's race, Tuohy would have had to PR. That's a big ask -- there's a reason only one person PRed today, while most people ran well over their PRs.
More likely, if KT had been in the race and been in contention, the race would have unfolded very differently. That's because the other (much faster, more experienced and savvier) runners would have adjusted their tactics to neutralize KT. The top four finishers all have PRs at least 6 seconds faster than KT. It would have been easy for them to adjust in ways that would have taken KT out of contention. It's hard to see how her beating Schlachtenhaufen or MacLean, both of whom have PRs well under 4:05.
As FT pointed out, this was a tactical race, so most likely the winners would have just waited and kicked away from her as they did from MacLean and Schlachtenhaufen. If KT had pushed the pace early, they would have kicked earlier, and still reeled her in.
I expect this will be the story tomorrow as well. But of course nobody knows for sure, and sometimes, the unexpected happens. We've all seen the videos from the 2009 Pre. As the saying goes, "that is why they run the races."
Why would the others runners adjust their tactics to neutralize Touhy? The top 7 ran the final 800m ranging from 2:02 to 2:07. I seriously doubt Touhy could finish that quickly.
I agree, and I also think the way the prelims were run it would have been hard for her to make it to the final, unless she had lead that running fast from the start.
Why would the others runners adjust their tactics to neutralize Touhy? The top 7 ran the final 800m ranging from 2:02 to 2:07. I seriously doubt Touhy could finish that quickly.
I agree. If she had been in the race, KT mostly likely would not have been a factor. My point was that even if she had been a factor, the outcome would have been the same because the other runners would have responded. That is why I said, "if KT had been in the race and been in contention, the race would have unfolded very differently."
Apologies for not making that clearer. When you are old and broken down, it's hard to just to watch the races and type, let alone type things clearly.
Maybe I would be clearier if I had said KT mostly likely would not have been a threat, for the reasons SDSU says, but, even if she had somehow become a threat, the top runners would have been able to respond is a way that would have neutralized that threat.
And yes, I agree she would have had trouble in the prelims. Even if she made it through, she would not have been in good shape to run a PR.
Maybe I would be clearier if I had said KT mostly likely would not have been a threat, for the reasons SDSU says, but, even if she had somehow become a threat, the top runners would have been able to respond is a way that would have neutralized that threat.
And yes, I agree she would have had trouble in the prelims. Even if she made it through, she would not have been in good shape to run a PR.
She will not be a threat, everyone knows that but most likely will PR ! her 4:06 was too easy, theres many ways to get to a 4:06 and the race earlier was actually fast in the last 2 laps, Katelyn could have settled behind and shave a little on her PR with that kind of pace and race, her 63 was too effortless in ACC, who knows if she has 62 or 61, her workouts are 61, 62 ..
Not a question of would she have won. Rather would she have PR'd and potentially gotten a top 5 place? Tuohy's 4:06 was easily as impressive as Johnson's 4:05 which she got dueling and being pushed by Hull in the NCAA finals. And Johnson went on to run 4:03 at the US Chanpionship and finish 4th. If Tuohy was feeling good there is no reason something similar would not have happened. Tuohy easily ran the fastest NCAA time in the event this year without even focusing on it, running it as prep for the 5000. If she was having a good day, she could have done well. But we will never know.
And in fact it was much more impressive. Johnson was able to draft off of Hull the entire race right up to the final turn. Tuohy ran 4:06 from the front the entire race. No reason to discount what she could have done on a good day.