yea id rather not, letsrun, runnerspace and flotrack knows my channel, and they keep an eye on it, they hit my channel with copyright strikes, I contacted them, asked them to upload short clips of past races on youtube and then put the website links for the full vids or if I could repost some of their clips and they said NO NO NO to everything.
how come the difference is only 14 months??? tuohy just turned 20 and is already at college halfway her sophomore year
You can pick what age at which your kid enters kindergarten. Cook’s parents went a year later than the norm, evidently. So she turns 19 in May. Different states have different norms. Where I grew up usually September or October birthdays (eg turning 18 in their senior year then) were the oldest kids in my classes. If we had any 19-year-olds in the school I was not aware of it.
so basically, natalie cook is a college freshman at high school?
One thing that gets overlooked also is that the runner who had just finished 3rd in the mile at the NCAAs was in that race as well.
I don't know if the 1500 is an option though. The 1500 final takes place a couple of hours before the 5000 at the NCAA outdoors.
elly and katelyn runs the same distance, and if we look at elly henes' season from last year, she only did the double at ACC and then focused on the 5000m for regionals and nationals
i totally see katelyn doing this, im sure that would be coach henes' decision too but if katelyn can get her 1500m time down to 4:08 and has strong chance of winning then in think they will try to double
She has a legitimate chance to win the 5000 so that is the one they will likely choose.
yea pretty much same as nc state's runner-up finish in 2020 xc championship and coach laurie said, when you finish second, how can winning it next time not be your goal, which applies to katelyn, coach laurie now knows how katelyn does vs competition, she can run with them, just need a little more to win... and im sure they would want a back2back 5000m champions, elly henes being as last year's champ, how iconic and dominating would it be to have katelyn tuohy win it this year
15:15 sounds about right but if the race conditions are perfect and she gets pacing help, i believe her recently improved turnover will get her 15:10 at best in an all out performance
No one 'lauds her progression', rather we note there is no regression.
Of the top 20 girls hs recruits of past 4 classes, only Tuohy, Chmiel, and recent UVA freshmen Barnett and Appleton have shown improvement.
That's what makes most hedge their bets on next year's group of Hutchins, Cook and Whittaker, Willis at 800/1500.
I would add Emily Covert to the list of top distance recruits who have shown improvement. If you are going to include 800 m runners, I think you need to include Athing Mu to the list who have improved! Hopefully the others who have been injured recover.
Am I the only one confused about all the people lauding Touhys progression as incredible? She ran 15:37 over 4 years ago... 4 YEARS AGO
the fact that she ran that four years ago and she is now a top distance runner in the ncaa IS AN ENOUGH REASON (we all know how unforgiving distance running is to distance running phenoms)
people literally said she cannot run fast in college and that shes over and burned out for running 60mpw... but look at her now .. developing an insane kick .. running better than ever (and that is after injuries and knee surgery)
You just have to understand the history of the sport. Tuohy is a lot better now than when she was a high school sophomore. Which is especially good to see given that she had surgery in 2020. However not every elite high school distance runner continues to improve in college. It is just very hard to run at a top level season to season, and some runners will stop progressing or will regress in college. This became a big narrative in this sport, that high school distance running phenoms were somehow destined to stop running at a top level. KT on the other hand is PR'ing and visibly improving, and by significant margins. And yes, being two time national runnerup while still 19 is pretty incredible in a good way.
Not to digress, but I think also our understanding of how the top distance runners progress is skewed by PEDs in the pro ranks. The cover story is always that such and such a pro graduates from college and then seemingly magically begins to run national and international class times not suggested anywhere in their college running resume. There is always an explanation. Undertrained. Overtrained. Injured. Low mpw. High mpw. Etc. But the sudden progression is of course PEDs. When Houlihan graduated from college with a lifetime 5000 pr of 15:49, joins Nike and then within a year is running 15:06, did people honestly not know what they were looking at? That is an "incredible" progression. A natural progression is not going to work like that. It will be gradual and subject to fits and starts. (Parenthetically if you see a runner add some lean muscularity and suddenly have the ability to run times not suggested anywhere in their prior competitive history, be skeptical for a change).
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