I’m guilty for engaging here, but this is what you wrote:
DinoZ wrote: Thinking top post 1959 rock songs.... Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, The Doors, Grateful Dead, The Stones, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Janis Joplin, The Animals, Steppenwolf, Donovan, Cream. CSN&Y, ZZ Top, The Eagles, CCR, would have the bulk of it.
….whereas I was merely listing 3 artists who render your list garbage.
Take a look at my post in the what-age-are-you thread and you’ll see I regard Elton and Van very, very highly. John Mellencamp on the other hand is garbage.
So you don't know music, not a big deal. I bet ya think Country music sucks....right?
I would say 99% of Pop-Country since nineteen eighty-something sucks, but the old stuff like Hank Williams, or Marty Robbins, or The Byrds’ Sweetheart of the Rodeo, was very good.
You like John Mellencamp, fine. I think he’s garbage. A very, very poor man’s Bruce Springsteen.
You’ve revealed yourself several times over in this thread as a pretentious snob. Perhaps others already knew.
He was not in the same league as Duane Allman or SRV, since you out those examples. Nor Dickie Betts for that matter.
I don't care what nonsense you can find on Google. Clapton is just an ordinary pro. Not innovative, nothing special technically, ripped off a lot of good songs written by others. Lots of other famous guitarists are better and even more not so famous guitarists are better.
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Why is Eric Clapton considered one of the best guitarists of all time? 28 Answers Best David Tynan Answered 6 years ago For all the reasons outlined in the other answers but essentially he is an outstanding musician. His phrasing is incredible. He's rooted in blues, it's where he pulls his influence from but he's equally at home with country and Jazz, 2 incredibly technical and difficult styles to master. He has incredible tone which he achieves with minimal effects. His tone literally comes out of his hands. His Phrasing and touch are unlike anything anyone else can do. Also he seems like a genuinely nice person, with a troubled personal past which he channels into his music, and people react to that sort of honesty of playing
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Dude, you can believe what you like I disagree with you as does everyone else.
His phrasing is nothing special. Boring maybe. As a blues player he's certainly not top tier at least not to anyone from down south who knows the blues.
Take a few minutes and actually bone up on just who Clapton is, you don't seem to know. He grew up listening to them blues, he knows as much about it as any southern blues cat. He would have played nothing but blues but there was no $$$$ in it for a white band.
Stop with the silliness, ok guy? Clapton is a fantastic guitar player and I have heard them all, trust me.
Take a few minutes and actually bone up on just who Clapton is, you don't seem to know. He grew up listening to them blues, he knows as much about it as any southern blues cat. He would have played nothing but blues but there was no $ in it for a white band.
Stop with the silliness, ok guy? Clapton is a fantastic guitar player and I have heard them all, trust me.
To my mind he's not even a good blues player, has no idea what the blues is, just copies a caricature of the music.The notion that he's some special guitarist is just silly. He's a solid pro. His music, some like it, some not so much, and it's not original.
You're all gonna hate but the fact is the guitar has jumped the shark anyhow.
Problem is there's too many players who are too good at it, which ruins the sound overall. For example Prince's guitar fame comes mainly from covering "While my guitar gently weeps" which he played like a technical virtuoso but departed completely from the sound of the song.
There's a thousand other non-famous guitarists who could have showed off just as well in an extended solo that didn't belong in that song. The original is ruined. Sounding good now means hitting the most notes in the most complex way, which usually doesn't sound good and has become niche. Can't even compete with the computer-generated crap they call pop music nowadays.
Take a few minutes and actually bone up on just who Clapton is, you don't seem to know. He grew up listening to them blues, he knows as much about it as any southern blues cat. He would have played nothing but blues but there was no $ in it for a white band.
Stop with the silliness, ok guy? Clapton is a fantastic guitar player and I have heard them all, trust me.
To my mind he's not even a good blues player, has no idea what the blues is, just copies a caricature of the music.The notion that he's some special guitarist is just silly. He's a solid pro. His music, some like it, some not so much, and it's not original.
He's a very special guitarist which is why he gets the respect he does from those who know this this.
I finally figured this out, yep...DUH!...on me. You are trolling that's why ya used an unregistered name.
I have heard it all and I put Clapton in the top 3 or 4. You got five who are better?
Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of his stuff and he's certainly influential in that he helped inspired a generation of guitarists but best? Are we talking technical? Melody? Phrasing?
There are literally thousands of better technical players, I think everyone can acknowledge that (and I admit that great technical skills do not a great guitar player make) but here are just a handful of well known guitarists that are all superior to Clapton in my opinion (again there are boatloads of lesser known virtuosos.
Lindsay Buckingham
Mark Knopfler
EVH
David Gilmour
Jimmy Page
Ty Tabor
Brian May
Eric Johnson
Then you've got your Vai's and Satriani's that sort of skirt on the edge of mainstream music that are not even in the same universe as Clapton.
Big shout for your mention of Ty Tabor; massively underrated by the general public but every serious player I know loves him. A master of great tone and creative/huge riffs. Also great shout for Lindsay Buckingham; a lot of people don't really get how difficult some of his stuff is to play, amazing creativity and clean playing. Great list.
To my mind he's not even a good blues player, has no idea what the blues is, just copies a caricature of the music.The notion that he's some special guitarist is just silly. He's a solid pro. His music, some like it, some not so much, and it's not original.
He's a very special guitarist which is why he gets the respect he does from those who know this this.
I finally figured this out, yep...DUH!...on me. You are trolling that's why ya used an unregistered name.
Done talking this with you.
Not trolling. There are many many guitarists better than him technically, musically, and both. I grew up on blues and play blues on the guitar and he's not really on the map as a blues player. What he does that passes for blues is completely derivative, copy stuff that passes for blues with folks that grew up on Kenny g. He doesn't even get it, like say someone else famous like Keith Richards. With Cream he made some good songs. Ginger Baker had good support.
I also play the blues on guitar and rack harmonica, I also own all that old prewar blues stuff, talking Ma Rainey, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Bessie Smith, Charley Patton, a history buff would work. I have heard them all, in my opinion Eric Clapton is the best white blues guitarist, sure we can debate Duane Allman, SRV, Jeff Beck, but Clapton will always be in the debate if you know the music and I do.
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