I couldn’t find it either. A few years ago on one of the timing results list they had a freshman from King City HS, CCS listed at 4:13 for the 1600. It turned that was more like 5:13 and he didn’t break 4:40 in hs. So the timing companies make errors or sometimes I think they inputs results to get us riled up.
How come Arcadia doesn't get any pacers for the 3200? Especially since it's been public knowledge for months that it's gonna be a record attempt? One of the NP kids is gonna have to be the sacrificial lamb that goes out at 8:30 pace.
Agreeing with the guy above that Aaron's prolly gonna lead for a while, Colin and Leo are gonna get around 8:25, Lex at or under 8:30, and Aaron right around 8:35. NP will have 5 total under 9.
I think it'll also be the race with the most guys ever under 8:50 and 9.
Not sure what record these guys claim to be going after. Verzbikas never ran a 3200m. He has 0 lifetine results at that distance. You can't break his 2 mile record without starting 18m back. Sure, you can extrapolate and say a particular result is better than another result at at a similar event. This is common when comparing 1500m and mile times, of course. But no Lukas V. record is getting broken, that's 100% certain.
How come Arcadia doesn't get any pacers for the 3200? Especially since it's been public knowledge for months that it's gonna be a record attempt? One of the NP kids is gonna have to be the sacrificial lamb that goes out at 8:30 pace.
Agreeing with the guy above that Aaron's prolly gonna lead for a while, Colin and Leo are gonna get around 8:25, Lex at or under 8:30, and Aaron right around 8:35. NP will have 5 total under 9.
I think it'll also be the race with the most guys ever under 8:50 and 9.
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Since he's a senior, the main goal is for Colin to get the record. The other 3 boys still have another year left.
How come Arcadia doesn't get any pacers for the 3200? Especially since it's been public knowledge for months that it's gonna be a record attempt? One of the NP kids is gonna have to be the sacrificial lamb that goes out at 8:30 pace.
Agreeing with the guy above that Aaron's prolly gonna lead for a while, Colin and Leo are gonna get around 8:25, Lex at or under 8:30, and Aaron right around 8:35. NP will have 5 total under 9.
I think it'll also be the race with the most guys ever under 8:50 and 9.
Not sure what record these guys claim to be going after. Verzbikas never ran a 3200m. He has 0 lifetine results at that distance. You can't break his 2 mile record without starting 18m back. Sure, you can extrapolate and say a particular result is better than another result at at a similar event. This is common when comparing 1500m and mile times, of course. But no Lukas V. record is getting broken, that's 100% certain.
The way you've framed your post makes it seem that the NP kids are at fault. They and their coach select races based on their training schedule and availability. The 3200 has now supplanted the two mile in California and in many other locales. Of course they could research and select a race in a locale where the two mile is run. However, they've already done enough traveling- twice in indoors to NY, once outdoors to AZ, and then in a few weeks to PR in Philly, and then probably to one or more of the major national meets or postseason meets. Let them enjoy their race at Arcadia. And if by chance one or more of them runs 8:26 or better (the approx. equivalent of two miles) I guess we'll just have to put an asterisk next to the performances and you can spend the next few weeks on LR bemoaning the unfairness of it all.
Since he's a senior, the main goal is for Colin to get the record. The other 3 boys still have another year left.
Again, what record? Not LV's, obviously. Maybe there's a State record (Fernandez? - but I doubt the State actually keeps track of such) or maybe just the Meet Record. And Kahuna, don't know what offended you. Why the angry rhetoric? My post pointed out that nobody is going for the US HS 2 mile record and asked what record is being discussed.
I assume it's the Meet Record that could be in danger. And I certainly have no beef with these guys roaming the country. I can't imagine the School District is paying for it, and they seem to be able to afford it (more likely their parents can) so don't know what objection there could be....
Here's the current All Time 2 mile HS list from T&FN. Note that it includes converted 3200 times from Sahlman and Fernandez (with the "+"). From a purist perspective, I understand your point. If anyone breaks 8:33.3 tomorrow night, they'll be the new 3200 national record holder. Given the 3 second conversion, if anyone breaks 8:26.4, they will be the new 2 mile / 3200m national record holder. You may not like it, but it will be recognized by most as the new 2M record. 2 MILES 8:29.46 * Lukas Verzbicas’ (Sandburg, Orland Park, Illinois) 2011 8:34.40 German Fernandez (Riverbank, California) 2008 8:36.30+ Colin Sahlman (Newbury Park, California) 2022 8:36.3 Jeff Nelson (Burbank, California) 1979 8:37.22+ ————Fernandez 2008 8:39.04 Hobbs Kessler (Skyline, Ann Arbor, Michigan) 2021 8:39.15i Edward Cheserek’ (St. Benedict’s, Newark, New Jersey) 2013 8:40.0i Gerry Lindgren (Rogers, Spokane, Washington) 1964 8:40.70i ————*Verzbicas’ 2011 8:40.9 Craig Virgin (Lebanon, Illinois) 1973
If anyone breaks 8:33.3 tomorrow night, they'll be the new 3200 national record holder. Given the 3 second conversion, if anyone breaks 8:26.4, they will be the new 2 mile / 3200m national record holder. You may not like it, but it will be recognized by most as the new 2M record.
It seems that in most locales now they run 3200 meters and not two miles. The reason for it is either ease of conducting the race since tracks are now 400 meters and most races save for the mile and even less commonly the 4 X mile are run along metric distances or laziness in not accommodating a traditionally run race of two miles. The one race that will be preserved in Imperial measurements is the mile, but even that distance is not as frequently run as the 1600 is. So where does that leave potential record breaking for the 3200 or two mile? Some might argue that if Colin Sahlman, for example, runs faster than around 8:26, which some consider the 3200 equivalent of the 8:29 two mile record that Verzbickas has that it's still not the full two mile, equivalent or not, and should not be considered for record purposes. But what is a runner supposed to do if the administrators of places where tracks are found are unwilling to contest the two mile? Should they forsake running opportunities just to find a rare meet where the two mile is contested? Another possibility is to appeal to adminstrators where the two mile is contested to do away with the two mile and have the 3200 as the contested distance. Then we can lower Verzbickas' record to the 3200 equivalent time with an asterisk. And finally, there's precedent for doing away with the two mile. Back in the day the fastest sprinters ran the 100 yard dash. Remember guys running 9.1? They were fast. But the 100 yard dash went the way of the dodo bird. But then we can also do away with the 3200 and just say, "run the 3000." That's what they do in several states (e,g., Oregon). Furthermore, 3000 meters is an internationally recognized and contested distance, not the 3200.
Records are meant to be broken. Different era where there's better footwear, tracks, diet and training. Let's just all be grateful and appreciate the stack field in both seeded races and invitational. Let's see some PRs by many! Good luck to everyone this weekend.
A new year and another visit with the Newbury Park High School track program - regarded as the greatest distance team in high school history. It's ten days...
Is there some reason they can't throw another timing device 18m after the finish so these guys can just run for another 3 seconds and break the 2 mile record if they are on pace for it? Not sure why this isn't done in situations like this.
