As someone else pointed out he is American if you’re only going by where someone is born. He was born in Canada so that makes him “American,” bright boy:
To all the fools out there.
Grants mother is American his Dad is Canadian. Grant was born in Canada and moved to the USA when he was three years old. When an American citizen has a baby, that child is automatically a US citizen. Just like when US service people abroad have babies. Grant can also be a Canadian citizen due to his fathers nationality.
Their family has been living in the US for over 20 years. Be thankful Grant Fisher is running for the USA he could have chosen otherwise. Instead he chose to represent the country that he knows, has grown up in and as he has said in the past he is grateful for the US, that Grand Blanc Michigan is home and what he knows.
As someone else pointed out he is American if you’re only going by where someone is born. He was born in Canada so that makes him “American,” bright boy:
To all the fools out there.
Grants mother is American his Dad is Canadian. Grant was born in Canada and moved to the USA when he was three years old. When an American citizen has a baby, that child is automatically a US citizen. Just like when US service people abroad have babies. Grant can also be a Canadian citizen due to his fathers nationality.
Their family has been living in the US for over 20 years. Be thankful Grant Fisher is running for the USA he could have chosen otherwise. Instead he chose to represent the country that he knows, has grown up in and as he has said in the past he is grateful for the US, that Grand Blanc Michigan is home and what he knows.
So lay off. He should be treasured.
Show me his "American" birth certificate then if you want to worship the Canadian so much. What if Grant Fisher was instead named Mohammed Mohammed?
As someone else pointed out he is American if you’re only going by where someone is born. He was born in Canada so that makes him “American,” bright boy:
To all the fools out there.
Grants mother is American his Dad is Canadian. Grant was born in Canada and moved to the USA when he was three years old. When an American citizen has a baby, that child is automatically a US citizen. Just like when US service people abroad have babies. Grant can also be a Canadian citizen due to his fathers nationality.
Their family has been living in the US for over 20 years. Be thankful Grant Fisher is running for the USA he could have chosen otherwise. Instead he chose to represent the country that he knows, has grown up in and as he has said in the past he is grateful for the US, that Grand Blanc Michigan is home and what he knows.
So lay off. He should be treasured.
+infinity! Thank you!
14th Amend applies to all Letsrun posters, if they are citizens. Like it or not. haha
oldold, knox's interpretation of the 14th is exactly right. The Amendment does not attempt to list every scenario in which citizenship exists nor even provide any new pathways to citizenship. The 14th followed the 13th, which many (but nowhere near all) of us know, abolished slavery by making it illegal in the United States. The 14th states that native birth on US soil grants one citizenship. Well, why does it need to even say this? This was old news, as that already was established law and indeed, the most popular method of gaining citizenship.
Although the Amendment does other things (commonly discussed in a Criminal Procedure class as opposed to Constitutional Law) the clause in question affirmed that the recently freed former slaves were born in the United States and therefore citizens. Why wasn't this obvious enough to not need stating? Because prior to the 13th, slaves were not granted the rights of citizenship - including voting and access to relief via courts, as well as the more specifically defined rights discussed in the 4th and 5th amendments, etc - in spite of native birth.
What the 14th Amendment DID NOT do was establish the doctrine of native-born citizenship. That already existed; it makes clear that it applies to those born as slaves. Nor does it create the method of obtaining citizenship at birth that you, oldold, and many posters point out applies to Shorter and Fisher, which is being born on foreign soil to a U.S. citizen parent. I'm not saying that's not valid law, I'm saying it doesn't come from the 14th Amendment.
Fisher is protected under the 14th Amend because of the title of this thread being born in Canada. The 14th Amend protects citizenship and its rights. Fisher is as American as someone born on US soil.
I’m not an attorney but law is like a web where many other things must be read before the meaning of what is written is fully understood.
Here is the code that makes persons born out side of the US to American parent(s) as American as someone born here.
oldold, no one is saying the laws outlined in the CIS manual you posted aren't valid or that he's not a U.S. citizen. knox was saying that the 14th Amendment isn't what generates that citizenship, and I am saying the same. I don't think we're arguing in the sense that you think. Please don't interpret my posts as some equivalent to: "This guy ain't one of us. Lynch him!" I'm not saying that; neither was knox. Yet you keep insisting he's a citizen due to the 'child of citizen' laws. Who's saying he's not?
Once again:
Birthright citizenship goes all the back before the Constitution, and many individuals' citizenship - both prior to and since the 13th and 14th Amendments - is a result of this.
However, the aforementioned doctrine wasn't applied to the offspring of persons brought to the United States during the trans-Atlantic slave trade who themselves were slaves upon birth.
The 13th Amendment outlawed slavery in the entire country, but more law was required for people technically 'free' to actually have the rights others already did (ie, the very next Amendment).
The 14th Amendment applied citizenship to a group not previously given such - namely, the group mentioned above who had been enslaved prior to ratification of the 13th despite the fact that they were born within U.S. boundaries.
Specifically, the passage from the 14th you quoted confirms that birthright citizenship does indeed apply to those born as slaves within the boundaries of the United States: they were native-born citizens with all that applies.
Fisher is not included in this group: his citizenship is a result of law other than the 14th Amendment.
All that having been said, I am impressed with the weekend's results! I'm not betting my bottom dollar on Rupp's outdoor10k record going, but there may be someone who can give it a shot now.
As someone else pointed out he is American if you’re only going by where someone is born. He was born in Canada so that makes him “American,” bright boy:
Nobody has ever said "American" and meant Canadian or Mexican.
Lol. Well done OP. So many down votes but I don't get why. Gault makes it a point to refer to the birth country of every immigrated American distance runner so this should be no different. Gaining a medal from somebody not even born here -- how will a country of immigrants figure out how to evaluate this performance without this crucial bit of information!
Great run Grant btw. Didn't think he was going to hang on the last lap & he almost came away with a silver.
Only Americans think and talk like this. Nobody outside of the US says, I was born in North America therefore I am American. “America” = citizen of the United States.
Yeah except no American thinks "America" means the continent of North America.
Actually, the entire world thinks the terms America and American refer to the United States and its citizens. Yeah, you might get scolded by some obnoxious Argentines about how everyone in "the Americas" is actually an American, but I guarantee you that never once in their lives have they referred to themselves as American unless they were trying to dunk on someone from the US.
Anyway, people from every other country in the world are afforded the right to decide what to call themselves, why should the US be any different? What are we supposed to call ourselves? United Statesians?
As someone else pointed out he is American if you’re only going by where someone is born. He was born in Canada so that makes him “American,” bright boy:
To all the fools out there.
Grants mother is American his Dad is Canadian. Grant was born in Canada and moved to the USA when he was three years old. When an American citizen has a baby, that child is automatically a US citizen. Just like when US service people abroad have babies. Grant can also be a Canadian citizen due to his fathers nationality.
Their family has been living in the US for over 20 years. Be thankful Grant Fisher is running for the USA he could have chosen otherwise. Instead he chose to represent the country that he knows, has grown up in and as he has said in the past he is grateful for the US, that Grand Blanc Michigan is home and what he knows.
So lay off. He should be treasured.
I think the 10,000 million (10 Billion) dollar question is,
Could he be named Kamala Harris's Vice Presidential candidate?
Yeah except no American thinks "America" means the continent of North America.
Actually, the entire world thinks the terms America and American refer to the United States and its citizens. Yeah, you might get scolded by some obnoxious Argentines about how everyone in "the Americas" is actually an American, but I guarantee you that never once in their lives have they referred to themselves as American unless they were trying to dunk on someone from the US.
Anyway, people from every other country in the world are afforded the right to decide what to call themselves, why should the US be any different? What are we supposed to call ourselves? United Statesians?
Yes. People that live in latin american countries refer to us as "Estadounidenses." Same thing.
OMG! Frank Shorter was born in Germany. Can we count his medals in the Olympic medal count?
On the other hand, Salazar was born in Cuba so his transgressions are the fault of those damn commies.
Salazar isn't native American. Shorter is. So is Grant Fisher. The law is simple. Don't they teach civics anymore?
Fisher is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by Article II of the US constitution. This is generally understood to mean born on US soil. As any Canadian will tell you, Calgary is not that.
If he has American heritage from the 1800s doesn’t that count? The white Americans who built this country mainly arrived in the late 1800s and early 1900s (see Ellis island immigrants who built NYC and Chicago skylines )
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