Big Ben Top 10 All Time?

boy howdy wrote:

Vineyard Vines wrote:

BTW the above link is pretty interesting. You see all the usual suspects. But cripes, Peyton Manning has a terrible passer rating of 87.4 in the playoffs, tied with his brother for crying out loud. Just shows what a massive choker Manning was in the playoffs. He couldn't win without a strong defense to bail them out of his boneheaded mistakes.

That list is crap. Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, and Alex Smith in the top 7 and Mark Sanchez at 11 shows that list is absolutely meaningless.

I don't disagree with you, but it's very interesting to see what QBs elevate their play in the post season, vs those who don't or even regress. Obviously the more playoff games, the better the correlation. So ignore Mark Sanchez but wonder why Peyton Manning shows up as 10 points lower in the playoffs than the regular season. Just points to the fact that he was vastly overrated and benefited from playing in an incredibly weak division where had six games each year against expansion teams (Titans, Jags, Texans).

1955 wrote:

I'm a Steeler fan, but, no, Big Ben is not a top 10 all-time. He's a HOF for sure, he's got great stats, but he wasn't even the MVP of either SB he won.

What Ben was the best at was taking hits and still making plays. When he was truly Big Ben, it took multiple guys to bring him down. He was tough, he was rugged, he was physical -- and all of those fit the Steelers' personality like no one else would have.

He hasn't been the same for a few years now, he's been a drama queen (or worse) at times, but he's given Steeler Nation a lot to cheer about for 18 years.

I agree completely.

Ben was Ben when he was standing in, taking hits, throwing rushers aside, prolonging plays, and finally striking down the field. But like you say, he has not been the same for awhile. As a fan it has been tough to see his decline. And exceptionally frustrating that O-coordinators changed the offense to dink-and-dunk to protect Ben. In my eyes, if Ben can't be Ben, then move on to a new QB but don't try to prolong a legacy via means that is both detrimental to the man and the team.

I'm glad to have had such a successful QB on the team that I follow for so long, but see him outside the top 10 in history.