A glance down the accusations listed in SafeSport's database (available on its old site) suggests that this organization is in the "sexual misconduct" business:
https://uscenterforsafesport.org/response-and-resolution/centralized-disciplinary-database/
rojo wrote:
I think most people believe in due process.
Then what is your problem with the process here?
Also recall that this went to arbitration, just like his (or Houlihan's) doping ban. At this point, it is over, and you can neither blame USADA nor SafeSport for unfairly banning him.
Why anyone would want to associate with Mary Cain is beyond me…she leaves everything she’s involved in in tatters.
umstead wrote:
"Can we all just admit that this dude is and was always a bad dude?"
HOW can we do this without any details?
By accepting the law courts judgement?
Shifting to a paradigm where trial-by-gossip is not your primary tool for judgement?
🤷🏻♂️
SDSU Aztec wrote:
goodest riddance wrote:
Like every other thread on this topic, the lemmings will come out to praise their scumbag cheat of an abusive coach.
He's been constantly ripped for everything else on LR but when it comes to accusations from his female runners, he's suddenly a victim. In general, LR hates all women besides Sara Hall.
This. A lot of this thread is gross. Mods need to be doing their jobs or learn how to do their jobs. A bunch of men, who know zero about the details of this, are going off. What we do know is that he has lost his appeal of a ban by the U.S. Center for SafeSport for sexual misconduct. Without knowing anything more, a bunch of men seem content to bash women & claim that this is bs. He went through this process & gave his arguments & lost. Clean this thread up mods. LRC clearly isn't fit to have this discussion.
Nodoubts wrote:
The decision is final.
Story in Wall Street Journal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/alberto-salazar-running-coach-banned-11640204152
I'm definately contributing to his go fund me!!
Clean your front page up LRC -- A LEGEND IS BANNED FOR LIFE AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HE'S ACCUSED OF
Think about how accusers feel having to see that. It implies that he might not be guilty or that there are questions left when he lost his appeal of a ban by the U.S. Center for SafeSport for sexual misconduct after at least 3 athletes came forward.
Why do you frame things how you do. Instead of your headline, that's what you should say. Salazar lost his appeal, he had his case heard, at least 3 athletes came forward, not he's done. That's it. Stop it with this nonsense.
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NERunner03533 wrote:
Clean your front page up LRC -- A LEGEND IS BANNED FOR LIFE AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT HE'S ACCUSED OF
Think about how accusers feel having to see that. It implies that he might not be guilty or that there are questions left when he lost his appeal of a ban by the U.S. Center for SafeSport for sexual misconduct after at least 3 athletes came forward.
Why do you frame things how you do. Instead of your headline, that's what you should say. Salazar lost his appeal, he had his case heard, at least 3 athletes came forward, not he's done. That's it. Stop it with this nonsense.
In this case, the LRC headline is much more to the point than something like: “Coaching legend banned for life for sexual misconduct.”
Even though the above headline is true, the real story here is that no one knows any details. He’s not facing any criminal charges, right?
The Office was pretty popular during his heyday. Maybe he made a few too many “That’s what she said” jokes. Would that qualify as sexual misconduct?
goodest riddance wrote:
Like every other thread on this topic, the lemmings will come out to praise their scumbag cheat of an abusive coach.
Yep.
What exactly has he been banned from doing.
This is not like the “ association rule” in Wada where the athlete can be banned from any coaching etc etc .
Epic win for Cain.
He picked the wrong woman to fvck with.
STAYS HOME DEVASTATED.
callling bee ess wrote:
Epic win for Cain.
He picked the wrong woman to fvck with.
STAYS HOME DEVASTATED.
Correction: He picked the wrong woman with whom to fvck.
Epic win for sure. Should help her with her lawsuit (or settlement) too.
Something a lot of people are doing in this thread is cherrypicking one piece of what we know and saying "How is that sexual misconduct?!" while ignoring that there's multiple allegations that we know of (and likely some that we don't). The crux of the matter is that people aren't looking at the big picture at all while simultaneously downplaying individual events. We have pretty good knowledge that he:
* Weighed athletes in front of teammates and deriding them in front of their peers
* Commented on boob/butt sizes
* Tried to sneak a quick kiss on the plane (There's not much info about this one, probably because Salazar's wife will beat him if he ever talks about it)
* Tried to put athletes on birth control medication
When examined from a 1,000ft view instead of under a microscope, you'll pretty quickly see a sleaze ball that's got some weird misogyny worms stuck deep in his brain. If I commented on one of my coworkers boob/butt sizes, I'd be in a heap of trouble and probably out of a job. "Okay, but weight directly correlates to performance!" you say. Yes, I know that. I know I have to be lean and light if I want to ever take a stab at my PRs again, I'm no fool, and neither is Salazar. He could say "Hey, let's work with this team nutritionist and figure out an optimal race weight." Yes, he did that in some cases, but why'd he feel the need to shout about boob and butt sizes? It's not like eating a bit less will directly shrink your boobs and only your boobs.
Now, I'll admit it, Mary Cain is really annoying. She was and probably still is very immature. That doesn't change the fact that Salazar was supposed to have a professional relationship with her. She lived in their house for a little while, imagine what went on there. If I had to have an annoying teenager live in my house for a professional relationship I'd be pissed, but, I'd bite my tongue and try my best to respectfully mentor and foster the young adult.
Why would anyone want to coach Women? You could inadvertently say the wrong thing or have someone misconstrue what you've said and in an instant your career is over.
And yet thousands of coaches have the competence to accomplish such a simple feat every day.
Bad Wigins wrote:
ride the wave of emotions and things shift pretty quickly if you wrote:
He didn't just "call her fat". that's such BS. He gave her birth control and laxatives she didn't have a prescription for to lose weight. He fixated on her weight even when she was performing well. The "sports psych" who should also be banned Darren Treasure shared information that she thought she was sharing with him in confidence. She told him she was self harming and they dismissed her and rolled their eyes. He weighed her in front of teammates. And oh yeah, he called her fat. Yelled it actually. In front of a huge crowd. And told her it was because she had bacon and eggs at IHOP that she gained five pounds. The whole thing was manipulative.
I promise you that any of you who are whining that everyone is too hard on poor Alberto would crack and break under his "training" methods.
which part of that is "sexual misconduct?"
I hate Salazar and don't think I have ever agreed with anything "Bad Wigins" has written, but I agree with him here. None of those things qualify as "sexual misconduct." This is not a Larry Nassar situation. Salazar ought to file a lawsuit and force them to prove "sexual misconduct." If Cain or someone else has some proof, force her to go public.
To everyone complaining about the supposed lack of due process here: The fact that the process was private does not mean that it wasn't "due." It sounds like an independent arbitration panel rejected AlSal's appeal of his ban. The details of arbitration proceedings are rarely made public. The fact that CAS publishes written decisions is the exception, not the rule.
As long as he didn't try to rub any gels or stick me, I would gladly take all of Al-Sal's verbal abuse to be trained by the Legend